Quote from: tower912 on January 09, 2025, 06:07:58 AMI posted this at the end of the Georgetown synopsis, but some people don't go through old threads and I think it is worthy of notice.

Joplin is shooting 88.9% from the line.

The other 4 starters are shooting between 75 and 80% from the line.   

The team is shooting 76% from the line.

The only thing that would make it better is getting there more often.

My eye test might be wrong, but Jop seems to miss the few fts he does miss early in the game.

He has missed 5 so far this season.

Quote from: Scoop Snoop on January 09, 2025, 11:32:42 AMOnly final score matta.

Except when Wojo is coaching, then wins no matta. 

Quote from: WhiteTrash on January 09, 2025, 01:21:18 PMExcept when Wojo is coaching, then wins no matta. 

Wojo no matta.

It is actually easy, like Buzz said fts, want to score more than other team attempts. Is the only meaningful ft stat.

Then I have no idea why MU has spent more time shooting free throws in practice this year then any other and practice doesn't end until the team shoots at least 80% as a team.

But I guess free throws don't matter.

Quote from: Big Papi on January 09, 2025, 08:23:00 PMThen I have no idea why MU has spent more time shooting free throws in practice this year then any other and practice doesn't end until the team shoots at least 80% as a team.

But I guess free throws don't matter.

So you still don't get it.

Quote from: MarquetteDano on January 09, 2025, 12:47:16 PMApologize if someone did this recently but here is the rankings of FT% in the country of the NCAA champs since 2012

84th
35th
170th
188th
52nd
10th (Nova)
172nd
2nd (Nova)
153rd
4th (UConn)
121st
65th

Looks like they do matter.  Better finish in the top 200.  We are sitting at #55

#1 Wisconsin at 85.5%
#365 Citadel at 57.1%

Quote from: Newsdreams on January 09, 2025, 03:04:45 PMIt is actually easy, like Buzz said fts, want to score more than other team attempts. Is the only meaningful ft stat.

Thanks for saying this. I was thinking this same thing. Buzz had some good ideas. They approached a thing with depth. FT% is a factor in his calculus but not the focus. it was also about how do you get FTs, aggressiveness, paint touches. Disciplined defense, etc.  it all goes into "more made than they take"

Quote from: lostpassword on January 09, 2025, 09:44:00 PMLooks like they do matter.  Better finish in the top 200.  We are sitting at #55

#1 Wisconsin at 85.5%
#365 Citadel at 57.1%

To illustrate the point.

#182 (Median team) Pepperdine 72.0%

If Wisconsin shot the same average as Pepperdine, they would have scored 43 less points this season. That sounds like a lot but on a per game basis is less than 3 points a game. All their wins are by 3 or more. They are number 1 by three whole percentage points over #2. So going from absolute best in the land by far to average would not change their overall record. Do the same excercise with 2P%, 3P%, or EFG% and you'll get a much more impactful result.

Situationally, individual FTs are very important. On a macro level, they are statistically insignificant.

But Jay Bee loves razzing others for semantics. He deserves some crap for coming up with a misleading slogan

Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 10, 2025, 12:10:39 AMTo illustrate the point.

#182 (Median team) Pepperdine 72.0%

If Wisconsin shot the same average as Pepperdine, they would have scored 43 less points this season. That sounds like a lot but on a per game basis is less than 3 points a game. All their wins are by 3 or more. They are number 1 by three whole percentage points over #2. So going from absolute best in the land by far to average would not change their overall record. Do the same excercise with 2P%, 3P%, or EFG% and you'll get a much more impactful result.

Situationally, individual FTs are very important. On a macro level, they are statistically insignificant.

But Jay Bee loves razzing others for semantics. He deserves some crap for coming up with a misleading slogan

Frankly I think he deserves more crap for drinking Truly

Quote from: Newsdreams on January 10, 2025, 08:07:26 AMFrankly I think he deserves more crap for drinking Truly

I deserve crap for a lot of things, but NOT a nicely chilled Wild Berry Truly. It's Friday night, may need to drink one in your honor tonight

Quote from: Jay Bee on January 10, 2025, 08:48:01 AMI deserve crap for a lot of things, but NOT a nicely chilled Wild Berry Truly. It's Friday night, may need to drink one in your honor tonight

I gotta share this joke.  You may have heard this before, but; Guy gets pulled over by a cop.  Cop: Sir, have you been drinking?

Guy: I had a couple of Trulys.

Cop: I didn't ask if you were a p*ssy, I asked if you were drinking.

Quote from: Jay Bee on January 10, 2025, 08:48:01 AMI deserve crap for a lot of things, but NOT a nicely chilled Wild Berry Truly. It's Friday night, may need to drink one in your honor tonight

I still buy you one next game

Quote from: Jay Bee on January 09, 2025, 11:20:37 AMAgreed that you probably never will get it, but you're absolutely wrong. I would never say turnovers don't matter, but the facts are team FT% has no meaningful relevance to winning bball games and further, field goal % is irrelevant.

The math and logic is simple, guys. Smh

The problem you run into is that this simply isn't true. If all other things are equal, number of FGA, eFG%, rebounds, turnovers, trips to the line, etc, everything is equal except one FT made in a 1-point game, then FT% can be the only thing that matters.

Teams have lost all four factors and won that game. It's incredibly rare, but it does happen. And when you spend a lot of time nitpicking people who make slightly incorrect statements with technicalities, rarely explaining why or what the technicality is, it's only natural that people will take umbridge with a definitive statement like #FTsNoMatta when it's only a generally but not universally true statement.

Quote from: brewcity77 on January 11, 2025, 08:09:21 AMThe problem you run into is that this simply isn't true.

Teams have lost all four factors and won that game. It's incredibly rare, but it does happen.

What "simply isn't true"?

How rare is it to win while losing all four factors? What fractional % of games are we talking about here?

Not every aspect of a team can be captured by metrics.

Some metrics are revealing, while others are chasing.

We have a well-rounded MU education to discern between the two

Quote from: Jay Bee on January 11, 2025, 10:11:44 AMWhat "simply isn't true"?

How rare is it to win while losing all four factors? What fractional % of games are we talking about here?

It's miniscule. But when you say something definitively that isn't definitively true, you paint yourself into a corner.

As ItsDJOver noted something like this is more effective:

Quote from: Jay Bee on January 09, 2025, 07:24:38 AMIt's simply that team ft% isn't relevant to who wins & loses a bball game.

With the caveat that it's rarely relevant.

But if two teams both take 60 shots, have the same eFG%, and one has a higher FT% on the same number of FTA, that team will win and FT% will be the differentiating factor. It doesn't happen often, but it does happen.

Quote from: brewcity77 on January 11, 2025, 11:59:06 AMBut if two teams both take 60 shots, have the same eFG%, and one has a higher FT% on the same number of FTA, that team will win and FT% will be the differentiating factor. It doesn't happen often, but it does happen.

How often did it happen in all of last year?

Quote from: Jay Bee on January 11, 2025, 12:35:42 PMHow often did it happen in all of last year?

14 times

Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on January 11, 2025, 12:36:26 PM14 times

#FakeNews #Lies

Sarcasm

Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on January 11, 2025, 12:36:26 PM14 times

I would have gone 69

Quote from: Jay Bee on January 11, 2025, 12:35:42 PMHow often did it happen in all of last year?

Doesn't matter. Once or one thousand times, just that it can happen means you cannot definitively say #FTsNoMatta, even if you're are referring to percentage. Because there are times it can and does.

Quote from: brewcity77 on January 11, 2025, 05:44:09 PMDoesn't matter. Once or one thousand times, just that it can happen means you cannot definitively say #FTsNoMatta, even if you're are referring to percentage. Because there are times it can and does.

Did it happen once in all of last year?