Quote from: MuMark on December 23, 2024, 07:11:30 PMWorrying about next year when MU is 11-2 and ranked 8th in the country is peak scoop.......

I'll just enjoy this season and be thankful that Shaka is in charge.........every season is a new challenge and always will be.

I'm worried about next year and terrified what happens in two years

Quote from: tower912 on December 23, 2024, 06:30:38 PMI think that Sean will be ready and raring to go.  I think Tre, with a healthy offseason, will be a revelation.  I think that Nigel will not be handed the keys, but will challenge Sean and Tre every day.  I think the offense will be adapted so that a line up of Gold, Ross, Owens, Parham, and PG will be an absolute beast by the middle of the season, if a little clunky at the beginning.

So, no, I don't think they are worried about the PG spot.  Just like this season compared to last, it will be different.  But it will still be a 5 out motion that can make 3s throughout.

I certainly do not think they are worried about it enough to do a bag drop on a portal PG.

I think you will be right on much if not all of this.  I especially hope you are right on Tre. I haven't seen enough glimpses of him handling the ball at a high enough level for a point guard or scoring the ball well enough at this early stage in his career to be as confident as you.  I do like his size.  I also like how he is developing on D.  Hoping to see continued improvement the rest of this season from him, Zaide and the freshman.  And if Tre is a revelation next year that will be a huge bonus.

Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 23, 2024, 07:12:16 PMI'm worried about next year and terrified what happens in two years

Shaka has NO IDEA who will be on this team in six years. How is that acceptable?

Quote from: MuMark on December 23, 2024, 07:11:30 PMWorrying about next year when MU is 11-2 and ranked 8th in the country is peak scoop.......

I'll just enjoy this season and be thankful that Shaka is in charge.........every season is a new challenge and always will be.

So true.

Quote from: MuMark on December 23, 2024, 07:11:30 PMWorrying about next year when MU is 11-2 and ranked 8th in the country is peak scoop.......

I'll just enjoy this season and be thankful that Shaka is in charge.........every season is a new challenge and always will be.

Sh1t.  Sorry, by stating that I'm loving this year and our coaches, but am not sold that Sean (the topic of this thread) or others on this team can take over at PG when the season is over clearly shows I'm looking past this year.  It will probably cost MU multiple wins and my happiness will be considerably lower.  Let's shut down the recruiting thread as well.  Worry about this season only.  Sorry for putting us on the bubble.

Go ahead and worry.  It is your right. I would have it no other way.  Don't feel insulted when others use their right to challenge your opinion.  After all, you are challenging their right to focus on the now instead of next season.

Go big on it.  Elaborate on your points, cite data, triple down.  Don't be offended it was challenged.   Defend it.

Quote from: avid1010 on December 24, 2024, 07:08:57 AMSh1t.  Sorry, by stating that I'm loving this year and our coaches, but am not sold that Sean (the topic of this thread) or others on this team can take over at PG when the season is over clearly shows I'm looking past this year.  It will probably cost MU multiple wins and my happiness will be considerably lower.  Let's shut down the recruiting thread as well.  Worry about this season only.  Sorry for putting us on the bubble.

You asked a simple question:does the board think Shaka and staff has some level of concern about the PG position for next year. It's a fair and good question. Maybe those mocking you for asking it are incapable of considering the future while enjoying the present, but Shaka is an extremely capable guy who can multi task. He can coach this year's team, plan a bit for next year and recruit for 2026. So yeah, I think there is some level of concern and there should be.

There was some level of concern after the best PG in a very long while left. Many wished Shaka would go into the portal even though some knew he wouldn't.
This season the offense has been initiated by: Kam, Chase, Tre, Zaide, Ben, etc.
Shaka adapts and gets the most out of his players, including next year's PG.

Quote from: We R Final Four on December 24, 2024, 08:53:38 AMThere was some level of concern after the best PG in a very long while left. Many wished Shaka would go into the portal even though some knew he wouldn't.
This season the offense has been initiated by: Kam, Chase, Tre, Zaide, Ben, etc.
Shaka adapts and gets the most out of his players, including next year's PG.

I had a little concern, even after seeing that Kam was up to the challenge last year. Your post covers a lot. If we had a coach who was going to the portal for players and losing some to it, I would be a bit nervous. Portal players do not always work out for a number of reasons. Shaka weaves together the current season with the future seasons in terms of not just recruiting but especially player development. He'll figure it out, just as he has so far.

At this point in "college athletics", Sean could be playing at age 26 and it wouldn't be seen as very odd. Take your time, yung soldja

Quote from: tower912 on December 24, 2024, 07:11:59 AMGo ahead and worry.  It is your right. I would have it no other way.  Don't feel insulted when others use their right to challenge your opinion.  After all, you are challenging their right to focus on the now instead of next season.

Go big on it.  Elaborate on your points, cite data, triple down.  Don't be offended it was challenged.   Defend it.

You want me to pull stats on my right to talk about next season?  I don't think I need to defend the rationale to discuss next season's pg on a message board.

As far as next year.  I like what I saw when TKO went out last year.  I don't like what I see when Kam goes out this year.  I don't like that Sean has missed out on a great deal of opportunity to get in game experience in non-conference play, and I worry about our sophomore recruiting class.  Do I think Shaka can adjust the same way he has with the difference between Oso and Gold...of course...but within reason.   I would feel better if we were seeing Sean play or Tre develop.  I'm not losing sleep...just an observation.

Quote from: Jay Bee on December 24, 2024, 10:53:32 AMAt this point in "college athletics", Sean could be playing at age 26 and it wouldn't be seen as very odd. Take your time, yung soldja

The amount of 26 year-olds in college basketball is ruining the sport.

Quote from: avid1010 on December 24, 2024, 07:08:57 AMSh1t.  Sorry, by stating that I'm loving this year and our coaches, but am not sold that Sean (the topic of this thread) or others on this team can take over at PG when the season is over clearly shows I'm looking past this year.  It will probably cost MU multiple wins and my happiness will be considerably lower.  Let's shut down the recruiting thread as well.  Worry about this season only.  Sorry for putting us on the bubble.

You obviously can  worry about whatever you want.......i just find these kind of threads strange in the middle of a great season.

It's just not the way I choose to process things but everyone is different.

I don't think your point about eliminating the recruiting thread is remotely the same thing however.....that is just sharing information about future players that we are in fact recruiting..........it's just news that I enjoy sharing with my fellow MU fans.

Anyway......Merry Christmas to all!

I would have Sean play as soon as he's able and no worry about burning the year of eligibility.   This team could make a run and Sean coming off the bench would make them better.   He'll still have his senior year next season and honestly I wouldn't be concerned any further out than that

Quote from: NotAnAlum on December 24, 2024, 01:52:21 PMI would have Sean play as soon as he's able and no worry about burning the year of eligibility.   This team could make a run and Sean coming off the bench would make them better.   He'll still have his senior year next season and honestly I wouldn't be concerned any further out than that

Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 23, 2024, 07:12:16 PMI'm worried about next year and terrified what happens in two years

I will stop worrying about the future once Wardle comes home

Quote from: Newsdreams on December 24, 2024, 02:34:57 PMI will stop worrying about the future once Wardle comes home

Worried about what comes with infinite success?

Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 23, 2024, 07:12:16 PMI'm worried about next year and terrified what happens in two years

I'm more concerned about 2032. Seems like Shaka has no plan for that season.

Quote from: TallTitan34 on December 25, 2024, 12:06:31 AMI'm more concerned about 2032. Seems like Shaka has no plan for that season.

I believe that is Luka's class, but heard he was held back already,cannot confirm.

Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 24, 2024, 08:18:46 AMYou asked a simple question:does the board think Shaka and staff has some level of concern about the PG position for next year. It's a fair and good question. Maybe those mocking you for asking it are incapable of considering the future while enjoying the present, but Shaka is an extremely capable guy who can multi task. He can coach this year's team, plan a bit for next year and recruit for 2026. So yeah, I think there is some level of concern and there should be.

agreed. I read an article where Nick Saban said coaches in today's wide open world of portal madness have to look ahead at least two years. Estimating, forecasting, prognosticating. For Marquette, does JTY (thx Muggs) come back with his quickness intact? Is he a 25-30 mpg guy next season? If so, would his size be exploited? Does Tre take the next step, or is this it? How 'bout Zaide? How 'bout Hamilton? Love where the team is as of today, but I agree with Saban that tomorrow needs to be considered too.

Call me crazy, but I have a feeling Shaka does have an idea of what the future looks like and has plans for next year and beyond. But maybe some Scoopers are right and he's completely lost. After all, he is just 1-3 against RED.

Quote from: wadesworld on December 25, 2024, 04:20:35 PMCall me crazy, but I have a feeling Shaka does have an idea of what the future looks like and has plans for next year and beyond. But maybe some Scoopers are right and he's completely lost. After all, he is just 1-3 against RED.

I'll say it again, we need Wardle. Shaka has no clue.

I trust Shaka has a plan. I doubt he is worried.

Quote from: NotAnAlum on December 24, 2024, 01:52:21 PMI would have Sean play as soon as he's able and no worry about burning the year of eligibility.   This team could make a run and Sean coming off the bench would make them better.   He'll still have his senior year next season and honestly I wouldn't be concerned any further out than that

Yes but Sean has a say in it too.......Shaka isn't going to make him play if he decides he'd rather have 2 full healthy seasons.

Quote from: wadesworld on December 25, 2024, 04:20:35 PMCall me crazy, but I have a feeling Shaka does have an idea of what the future looks like and has plans for next year and beyond. But maybe some Scoopers are right and he's completely lost. After all, he is just 1-3 against RED.

Which Scoopers have claimed Shaka is completely lost? Or doesn't have plans for next year or an idea of what the future looks like? Asking if he has a concern about a particular position for next year doesn't suggest that at all.

We've been in the top-10 three years running using a development model. Many thought we would fall off without Justin and Morsell, same when Kolek and Oso left, yet here we are again.

That's because when the first class left, the staff saw not what was gone, but what was back and developed the roster accordingly. And when TK & Oso left, they had Kam & Ben in place and trusted them to carry on. So maybe when Kam, Jop, and Stevie go, they have an idea of what they are bringing back and how they'll develop them to reach another ceiling that (once again) could be higher than the one before.