Quote from: tower912 on December 13, 2024, 01:53:31 PMCould have gotten real life Belichick.

Nobody wanted Belichick.

Quote from: cheebs09 on December 13, 2024, 12:10:59 PMTo Poles credit, I think he wanted to fire Eberflus last year and was overruled. So maybe the outlook would have been better if his hands weren't tied.

I'm guessing the Bears fans would be a bit more optimistic if Ben Johnson was running the show this year.

The last thing the Bears need is a guy who has never been a HC before to navigate the ownership and front office.

Being a coordinator moving to HC is hard enough.

Quote from: Jockey on December 13, 2024, 02:47:24 PMThe last thing the Bears need is a guy who has never been a HC before to navigate the ownership and front office.

But would a good, experienced coach want to deal with having to navigate the ownership and front office?

I predict Aaron Glenn gets a head coaching job and Ben Johnson stays in Detroit.

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 13, 2024, 02:49:23 PMBut would a good, experienced coach want to deal with having to navigate the ownership and front office?

Great point. I imagine a guy like Vrabel would need guarantees to take the job.

Ah, the Bears' conundrum - let's enjoy it while we can.

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 13, 2024, 02:49:23 PMBut would a good, experienced coach want to deal with having to navigate the ownership and front office?

That is a good question. I'd say no.

BUT, IF Warren is given control, cleans out the FO and gets a staff that he picks, controls and is committed to a singular vision, maybe a quality HC could be found.

-I like DePaul's chance to win the NC this year more than the Bears acting like adults.

Quote from: tower912 on December 13, 2024, 02:49:45 PMI predict Aaron Glenn gets a head coaching job and Ben Johnson stays in Detroit.

What Glenn has done with a depleted defense is more impressive than that Ben has done on offense

Quote from: cheebs09 on December 13, 2024, 12:38:33 PMIt's possible I had that backwards. Maybe Poles was the one holding them back from firing him in the offseason. If that's the case, then I'd expect him to be on thinner ice.

Allegedly, Poles backed Flus in the off-season. But then poles wanted to move on after the NE game. He was overruled

Quote from: DegenerateDish on December 13, 2024, 11:08:50 AMFor the record, Poles should definitely be fired (in my opinion).

Curious why you think that?

I have no idea if Poles is a good GM or could become one.

But I'm also not sure what evidence there is that demonstrates Warren is the guy to run a franchise. (Not that you said or implied that, dish)

Quote from: jesmu84 on December 13, 2024, 04:31:01 PMCurious why you think that?

I have no idea if Poles is a good GM or could become one.

But I'm also not sure what evidence there is that demonstrates Warren is the guy to run a franchise. (Not that you said or implied that, dish)

Fair questions. Personally, I'm not sold on Warren, but I am 100% sold on the idea of having one leader, one vision and logical chain of command. If Bears ownership commits to a common sense organizational structure, that can eventually translate into winning and more importantly giving them a clear view of who is preforming and who is not.

If Poles had actually hired Flus then the Bears would know Poles is not competent at hiring HCs. (I know technically he did hire Flus 48 hours after being hired himself but we all know Poles did not conduct a comprehensive NFL coaching search in 48 hours; Poles was told to hire Flus)

Quote from: jesmu84 on December 13, 2024, 04:31:01 PMCurious why you think that?

I have no idea if Poles is a good GM or could become one.

But I'm also not sure what evidence there is that demonstrates Warren is the guy to run a franchise. (Not that you said or implied that, dish)

Warren is beyond useless, he's stealing money from the team. He's incredibly ignorant of politics in Illinois, why he thought getting support and aligning with Brandon Johnson was a good idea, I'll never understand.

Poles hasn't really accomplished anything in 3 years, and has carried himself with an arrogance that has impacted his decision making. Poles "successful" trade with Carolina is a lotto scratch off ticket courtesy of Lovie Smith & Davis Mills. He stuck with Eberflus when it was obviously the wrong call. Drafted a punter in the 4th round and an injured offensive tackle in the 3rd round this year. Tried (very hard) to trade for Matthew Judon (who's been terrible). He heavily backed the Waldron hiring. This is all just from the past 8 months. I haven't even hit on Velus Jones/Claypool/Ogunjobi.

It's a very bad record of decision making, and I'm not entrusting him to make any more decisions.

I failed to mention, don't look too deeply at the Montez Sweat trade. The guy that was really good in the second half of last year has been nowhere to be found this season. If he's injured, he shouldn't be playing.

The Big Ten presidents were pretty happy when Warren left for the Bears. I honestly have no idea what he does for them. The entire stadium journey has been a debacle, albeit he wasn't dealt a great hand there. There's just nothing impressive about him except his ego.

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 14, 2024, 01:00:45 PMThe Big Ten presidents were pretty happy when Warren left for the Bears. I honestly have no idea what he does for them. The entire stadium journey has been a debacle, albeit he wasn't dealt a great hand there. There's just nothing impressive about him except his ego.

Warren's value to George is that he now answers the questions from reporters at press conferences.

I agree neither Warren or Poles have done anything to merit praise or even their jobs.

But, I still believe the underlying institutional problems will prevent anyone from performing well with the Bears.

Having a president who didn't hire or respect the GM, who himself didn't hire or really care for his HC. It reads like a Hollywood comedy. (Is "Bad News Bears" already taken?)

I wonder who's at the "helm" in Chicago for long-term thinking regarding the team.

It should be Warren or Poles - the president or the GM.

But I think the GM was hired to focus on the stadium and off the field stuff.

So, it should be the GM. But if the GM is on the "hot seat" or any related situation, he's going to make decisions that could help the team in the short term while hurting long term success just to save his job.

Quote from: jesmu84 on December 14, 2024, 02:16:31 PMBut I think the GM was hired to focus on the stadium and off the field stuff.

I think you mean the President right?

Anyway, yes the President does need to focus on those things. And should just hire a GM and get out of the way in football related decisions. But...you know...the Bears.

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 14, 2024, 02:18:14 PMI think you mean the President right?

Anyway, yes the President does need to focus on those things. And should just hire a GM and get out of the way in football related decisions. But...you know...the Bears.

In the end it all falls on ownership, right?

I'm not concerned about the financial wherewithal of the Halas family, I just see a family that thinks this is still the 1950's NFL. They plug and play key positions in the organization like they are hiring accounting clerks and nobody knows who is in charge.

Personally I learned early on in my career, through mistakes, not to hire someone to work for someone else. I have all my managers hire their subordinates so the employee know who they work for. Can I mandate a hire? Absolutely, but I don't. My managers' job performance is dependent on the team they assemble so I don't force a hire upon them. They deserve the power to perform their jobs.   

Any dude who can consistently pork a 24 yo live-in is a great coach, by definition, aina?

Quote from: 4everwarriors on December 15, 2024, 11:21:55 AMAny dude who can consistently pork a 24 yo live-in is a great coach, by definition, aina?

Why?  We judge a man's worth by his sex life?  Seems Christian and screams family values.  Huh

Quote from: WhiteTrash on December 15, 2024, 10:53:31 AMIn the end it all falls on ownership, right?

I'm not concerned about the financial wherewithal of the Halas family, I just see a family that thinks this is still the 1950's NFL. They plug and play key positions in the organization like they are hiring accounting clerks and nobody knows who is in charge.

Actually I think they are quite aware that its not the 1950s any longer. They are just incompetent at figuring out how to run a football team in 2024. They continuously hire the wrong people, and their handling of the stadium issue has been laughable at best - nothing they have done has engengered any public or political support.

Most of the Bears fans I know are starting to get apathetic like Dish. There just seems to be no end to the bad decision making.

Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 15, 2024, 11:25:32 AMWhy?  We judge a man's worth by his sex life?  Seems Christian and screams family values.  Huh

Are you expecting logical consistency from 4ever?

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 15, 2024, 11:43:00 AMAre you expecting logical consistency from 4ever?

I suppose if Bill was married for 45 years and still with her, he wouldn't be a great coach anymore.

Quote from: 4everwarriors on December 15, 2024, 11:21:55 AMAny dude who can consistently pork a 24 yo live-in is a great coach, by definition, aina?

I'm sure your wife would be thrilled to see this comment.

Magomes injured again.  Doesn't matter today.  For his sake, I hope he heals like Chase.