Gard is a high floor, low ceiling coach. I don't know if they'd move on from him barring a total meltdown this year.

The problem they have is it's really hard to flip your identity quickly. Your whole way of evaluating talent and recruitment has to flip with it. Look what they're going through with football. In some ways I think Fickell being a dud so far probably helps Gard's security.

Quote from: Hards Alumni on December 11, 2024, 03:34:32 PMI will never understand guys who are merely from somewhere being considered top candidates for jobs. 

Nate Oates went to Wisconsin for grad school for one year.
Shaka has zero ties to Madison... Oregon is 20 minutes away
TJ has zero ties to Madison.  Went to UW-Whitewater

Wisconsin isn't a destination job. Absolutely zero of the guys you're suggesting have any reason to pull up their roots, shun their current schools where they are successful, and take over at Wisconsin of all places.

This, "They should at least make a call" thought process is stupid.  You want to kick the tires around a bunch of coaches while your current coach has your team ranked inside the top 25?  I'm sure that's a great selling point for anyone that you're calling. 

Ayiyi

Let the Badger fan(s) dream.

Quote from: BM1090 on December 11, 2024, 03:36:55 PMYou'd get a lot more slack around here if you just admitted your Wisconsin top 2 take sucked.

I already said that it could be wrong when I said it. I just think they are one of the 2 best teams in a fairly average overall conference. They have 0 great teams and a lot of pretty good teams.

You honestly care that much? LMAO.

Quote from: Hards Alumni on December 11, 2024, 03:34:32 PMI will never understand guys who are merely from somewhere being considered top candidates for jobs. 

Nate Oates went to Wisconsin for grad school for one year.
Shaka has zero ties to Madison... Oregon is 20 minutes away
TJ has zero ties to Madison.  Went to UW-Whitewater

Wisconsin isn't a destination job. Absolutely zero of the guys you're suggesting have any reason to pull up their roots, shun their current schools where they are successful, and take over at Wisconsin of all places.

This, "They should at least make a call" thought process is stupid.  You want to kick the tires around a bunch of coaches while your current coach has your team ranked inside the top 25?  I'm sure that's a great selling point for anyone that you're calling. 

Ayiyi

TJO would take the Marquette job before he'd take UW-Madison. 

Won't matter, think Iowa State is going to keep him for a long time

Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 11, 2024, 03:44:46 PMI already said that it could be wrong when I said it. I just think they are one of the 2 best teams in a fairly average overall conference. They have 0 great teams and a lot of pretty good teams.

You honestly care that much? LMAO.

Nobody "cares that much."  You can just stop pretending you aren't a UW fan.  You'd be happy to admit you were wrong if you weren't a Badger fan, but instead you'll just keep pretending they might be a good team and then next year when someone jabs you for it, you'll pretend you don't remember saying it.  "Did I say they were clearly a top 2 B1G team last year?  I don't remember it, but if I did, well, they..." and then you'll come up with some absurd way to try to show you weren't wrong, like claiming that the Badgers, who finished 5th in the B1G last year, 3 games back of 2nd place IL, were a top 2 team last year because they made the B1G Tourney title game.

History helps make rivalries.  No Super Bowl for sure but one of our most important non conference games every year.  The I-94 rivalry includes 131 games dating back to 1917.  Marquette has played The Badgers the 2nd most times of any other school and WI has played MU more than anyone else in non conference games.  WI leads the series 71-60 making it a real rivalry and arguably our biggest.  Great to get the W this year!

Quote from: MUfan12 on December 11, 2024, 03:41:05 PMGard is a high floor, low ceiling coach. I don't know if they'd move on from him barring a total meltdown this year.

The problem they have is it's really hard to flip your identity quickly. Your whole way of evaluating talent and recruitment has to flip with it. Look what they're going through with football. In some ways I think Fickell being a dud so far probably helps Gard's security.

This. Fickell gets more flack because they are losing AND they stopped their I- formation offensive play calling. Wisconsin loves tradition. Gard gets a pass because he kind of still plays the "Wisconsin" way.

Quote from: Hards Alumni on December 11, 2024, 03:34:32 PMI will never understand guys who are merely from somewhere being considered top candidates for jobs. 

Agree.

The best 18 year olds in the state regularly depart to play elsewhere. Why would a 50 year old man with (at best) a tangential connection with Madison want to "come home"?

Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 11, 2024, 03:44:46 PMI already said that it could be wrong when I said it. I just think they are one of the 2 best teams in a fairly average overall conference. They have 0 great teams and a lot of pretty good teams.

You honestly care that much? LMAO.

Do I care? No. I know that when someone doesn't own up to crap takes then it's not worth a dialogue. Was hoping you'd prove me wrong. Too bad.

Quote from: wadesworld on December 11, 2024, 10:42:18 AMSure, if the season ended today they'd be in.  But getting to 9 wins in the B1G won't be easy for them.  Of their remaining schedule I see:

• Should be wins over Buter, Detroit Mercy, Iowa, Minnesota, Washington, at Minnesota
• Toss ups against Ohio State, at USC, Nebraska, at Northwestern, Indiana, Illinois, Penn State
• Losses at Rutgers, at UCLA, at Maryland, at Purdue, Oregon, at Michigan State

They already have 2 losses in the B1G.  So you have to get 5 out of 7 against Ohio State, at USC, Nebraska, at Northwestern, Indiana, Illinois, Penn State just to get to 9-11.  They'll be less talented than at least 4 of those teams.

At Rutgers and home Oregon belong in the tossup category. T Rank has Badgers as a 2 point favorite vs Oregon and a 2 point underdog at Rutgers.

So, that changes it to 5-4 in tossup games. I mean, sure there's a chance they miss the tournament. But it's not quite as hard as you think.

Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 11, 2024, 03:44:46 PMI already said that it could be wrong when I said it. I just think they are one of the 2 best teams in a fairly average overall conference. They have 0 great teams and a lot of pretty good teams.

You honestly care that much? LMAO.

Here was your original take:

Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 22, 2024, 04:44:18 PMMadison is a top 2 team in the Big Ten pretty easily.

I don't think the league is very good, but they are.

Very possible...maybe even likely that they will be unbeaten coming to Milwaukee on December 7th.

Nowhere in there did you say "it could be wrong."

Then, after your heroes lost at home to Michigan, you not only doubled-down but upgraded your top 2 take from "pretty easily" to "easily":

Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 06, 2024, 12:58:02 PMI do think they are easily top 2. 1 game doesn't change that.

Then you repeated your silliness about Madison always getting it done and - of course - predicted a victory over Marquette.

Marquette has already beaten two B18 teams (Purdue, Maryland) that are better than Madison, and last-place Madison has already lost to two others (Michigan, Illinois). But yes, Madison isn't just one of the league's best 2 teams, it's EASILY one of the best 2.

Talk about a guy willing to die on a hill. You honestly care that much? LMAO.

Quote from: wadesworld on December 11, 2024, 03:55:15 PMNobody "cares that much."  You can just stop pretending you aren't a UW fan.  You'd be happy to admit you were wrong if you weren't a Badger fan, but instead you'll just keep pretending they might be a good team and then next year when someone jabs you for it, you'll pretend you don't remember saying it.  "Did I say they were clearly a top 2 B1G team last year?  I don't remember it, but if I did, well, they..." and then you'll come up with some absurd way to try to show you weren't wrong, like claiming that the Badgers, who finished 5th in the B1G last year, 3 games back of 2nd place IL, were a top 2 team last year because they made the B1G Tourney title game.

Quote from: MU82 on December 11, 2024, 05:29:02 PMHere was your original take:

Nowhere in there did you say "it could be wrong."

Then, after your heroes lost at home to Michigan, you not only doubled-down but upgraded your top 2 take from "pretty easily" to "easily":

Then you repeated your silliness about Madison always getting it done and - of course - predicted a victory over Marquette.

Marquette has already beaten two B18 teams (Purdue, Maryland) that are better than Madison, and last-place Madison has already lost to two others (Michigan, Illinois). But yes, Madison isn't just one of the league's best 2 teams, it's EASILY one of the best 2.

Talk about a guy willing to die on a hill. You honestly care that much? LMAO.

I later followed up by saying that I could be wrong, but I think they are top 2 in a not great league.

Where did I predict a victory over Marquette? All I said is that I don't like the matchup.

Quote from: wadesworld on December 11, 2024, 03:55:15 PMNobody "cares that much."  You can just stop pretending you aren't a UW fan.  You'd be happy to admit you were wrong if you weren't a Badger fan, but instead you'll just keep pretending they might be a good team and then next year when someone jabs you for it, you'll pretend you don't remember saying it.  "Did I say they were clearly a top 2 B1G team last year?  I don't remember it, but if I did, well, they..." and then you'll come up with some absurd way to try to show you weren't wrong, like claiming that the Badgers, who finished 5th in the B1G last year, 3 games back of 2nd place IL, were a top 2 team last year because they made the B1G Tourney title game.

I don't like the Badgers, rather despise them. I just don't see the need to call them $hitty when they very clearly have a stabilized program.

Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 11, 2024, 05:42:44 PMI don't like the Badgers, rather despise them. I just don't see the need to call them $hitty when they very clearly have a stabilized program.

Definitely a stable, solid program. But also definitely not top 2 in the B10. And maybe there aren't any elite teams in the conference, but there's 8-10 solid to good teams.

Quote from: BM1090 on December 11, 2024, 06:13:00 PMDefinitely a stable, solid program. But also definitely not top 2 in the B10. And maybe there aren't any elite teams in the conference, but there's 8-10 solid to good teams.

That I agree with.

Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 11, 2024, 05:41:35 PMI later followed up by saying that I could be wrong, but I think they are top 2 in a not great league.

Where did I predict a victory over Marquette? All I said is that I don't like the matchup.

You saying they are top 2 in the league(whether its great or not) is just as stupid every time you say it

You have to know absolutely nothing about basketball to think they are a top 2 team in that league

Sh it, top 5 is bordering on insane.

Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 11, 2024, 05:41:35 PMI later followed up by saying that I could be wrong, but I think they are top 2 in a not great league.

Where did I predict a victory over Marquette? All I said is that I don't like the matchup.

You know that if your team had won, you'd have bragged that you predicted

Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on December 11, 2024, 08:14:32 PMYou saying they are top 2 in the league(whether its great or not) is just as stupid every time you say it

You have to know absolutely nothing about basketball to think they are a top 2 team in that league

Sh it, top 5 is bordering on insane.

Yes, it was easily one of the worst two takes in Scoop history.

Quote from: MU82 on December 11, 2024, 09:14:06 PMYes, it was easily one of the worst two takes in Scoop history.

UDPride has number 1 locked down.

Quote from: TallTitan34 on December 12, 2024, 10:21:36 AMUDPride has number 1 locked down.

Nolongerwarriors wanting Porter Moser is a solid #2.

Quote from: TallTitan34 on December 12, 2024, 10:21:36 AMUDPride has number 1 locked down.

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 12, 2024, 10:23:43 AMNolongerwarriors wanting Porter Moser is a solid #2.

I don't remember if it was NLW but somebody was beating the "Shaka is a DEI hire" drum pretty hard.

Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on December 12, 2024, 10:53:39 AMI don't remember if it was NLW but somebody was beating the "Shaka is a DEI hire" drum pretty hard.

TBF to NLW, that sounds like any number of posters

Agreed. Hindsight is 20/20. Thank god the chips fell as they did

Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 11, 2024, 02:21:28 PMHow do you block posters?

Check with Ben Gold.

Quote from: pbiflyer on December 12, 2024, 12:27:56 PMCheck with Ben Gold.

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