Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 06, 2024, 09:13:45 AMSoft ass team, period.  When they kicked that FG to tie it at 31, games was over.

Why?  Because they're a soft ass team with a soft ass coach

Rico, you wanted them to go for it on 4th and goal from the 15?  Even Campbell would not do that.

Quote from: Hards Alumni on December 06, 2024, 09:03:25 AMLaFleur's play calling is way too predictable.

OK, look I know people are frustrated but could we maybe calm down a little? MLF is an excellent offensive coach. They are top ten in rushing, passing and scoring. The Lions, Ravens and Commanders are the only other teams (I think) who can say that.

Part of the reason they ran so few plays is because their second half drives were

5 plays...touchdown
3 plays...touchdown
3 plays...punt
4 plays...touchdown
9 plays...FG

Do you want them to score less quickly or something?

Quote from: Hards Alumni on December 06, 2024, 09:03:25 AMPlus, they need to stick to the run more.

They ran the ball 24 times and dropped back to pass 21.

Yes, I would argue they should have run the ball more to start the game. But I don't know what we are criticizing here.

The defense? Go right ahead. But an offense that scored 31 points - 24 in the second half - against the best team in the NFC? Cmon...

Quote from: Hards Alumni on December 06, 2024, 09:03:25 AMLaFleur's play calling is way too predictable.

Plus, they need to stick to the run more.

IMO not having an impactful #2 RB is hurting GB.  GB ran 45 plays and the RB snap count to touches numbers were:
Jacobs: 40/18
Chris Brooks: 14/1
Emanuel Wilson: 3/1

They mask that best when they run creative sets to get Jayden Reed touches, but he had 1 target and 0 touches yesterday.  Combined with Jacobs not being a natural receiver out of the backfield (no RB had a pass target yesterday), their personnel is tipping their hand.

Quote from: tower912 on December 06, 2024, 09:16:12 AMRico, you wanted them to go for it on 4th and goal from the 15?  Even Campbell would not do that.

Yes.  The FG was a white flag.  Game was over.  The chances of the Packers stopping them was ZERO.  What GB should have done if they were going to kick the FG was let Detroit score on the first play from scrimmage to give themselves a chance. Instead, you have Keisan Nixon running around looking for a flag during a live play because he's a soft ass player on a soft ass team

Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 06, 2024, 09:13:45 AMSoft ass team, period.  When they kicked that FG to tie it at 31, games was over.

Why?  Because they're a soft ass team with a soft ass coach

I don't know if you are trolling here, but even Dan Campbell aint going for a TD on 4th and goal from the 13 when a team is down a FG late.

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 06, 2024, 09:20:15 AMI don't know if you are trolling here, but even Dan Campbell aint going for a TD on 4th and goal from the 13 when a team is down a FG late.

He wouldn't have to worry about that against the Packers because they'd give up the TD, anyway

Quote from: MUBurrow on December 06, 2024, 09:17:58 AMIMO not having an impactful #2 RB is hurting GB.  GB ran 45 plays and the RB snap count to touches numbers were:
Jacobs: 40/18
Chris Brooks: 14/1
Emanuel Wilson: 3/1

They mask that best when they run creative sets to get Jayden Reed touches, but he had 1 target and 0 touches yesterday.  Combined with Jacobs not being a natural receiver out of the backfield (no RB had a pass target yesterday), their personnel is tipping their hand.

I did say to my wife yesterday that Reed needs to get more touches. (She nodded and went back to her book.)

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 06, 2024, 09:22:02 AMI did say to my wife yesterday that Reed needs to get more touches. (She nodded and went back to her book.)

Lol.  And I agree with you that GB's offense didn't leave a ton to criticize yesterday.  I just think that their backfield personnel is limiting and they would really benefit from an effective, prototypical third down back in both blitz pickup and checkdowns.

Quote from: MUBurrow on December 06, 2024, 09:26:36 AMLol.  And I agree with you that GB's offense didn't leave a ton to criticize yesterday.  I just think that their backfield personnel is limiting and they would really benefit from an effective, prototypical third down back in both blitz pickup and checkdowns.

They need an aircraft carrier

Quote from: MUBurrow on December 06, 2024, 09:26:36 AMLol.  And I agree with you that GB's offense didn't leave a ton to criticize yesterday.  I just think that their backfield personnel is limiting and they would really benefit from an effective, prototypical third down back in both blitz pickup and checkdowns.

No argument here. I think they envisioned Marshawn Lloyd growing into that role.

Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 06, 2024, 09:28:22 AMThey need an aircraft carrier

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 06, 2024, 09:20:15 AMI don't know if you are trolling here

Alright alright...

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 06, 2024, 09:17:39 AMOK, look I know people are frustrated but could we maybe calm down a little? MLF is an excellent offensive coach. They are top ten in rushing, passing and scoring. The Lions, Ravens and Commanders are the only other teams (I think) who can say that.

Part of the reason they ran so few plays is because their second half drives were

5 plays...touchdown
3 plays...touchdown
3 plays...punt
4 plays...touchdown
9 plays...FG

Do you want them to score less quickly or something?


They ran the ball 24 times and dropped back to pass 21.

Yes, I would argue they should have run the ball more to start the game. But I don't know what we are criticizing here.

The defense? Go right ahead. But an offense that scored 31 points - 24 in the second half - against the best team in the NFC? Cmon...

I'm saying that his offense is too predictable.  Because it is.  They had a great second half against a team that was missing a ton of starters.

And yes, ball control and time management is essential to winning football games.

Quote from: MUBurrow on December 06, 2024, 09:17:58 AMIMO not having an impactful #2 RB is hurting GB.  GB ran 45 plays and the RB snap count to touches numbers were:
Jacobs: 40/18
Chris Brooks: 14/1
Emanuel Wilson: 3/1

They mask that best when they run creative sets to get Jayden Reed touches, but he had 1 target and 0 touches yesterday.  Combined with Jacobs not being a natural receiver out of the backfield (no RB had a pass target yesterday), their personnel is tipping their hand.

I think Wilson and Brooks are fine.  They're just also not given much run. 

Also, as an example of predictability, when Bo Melton is in, it's almost guaranteed to be a run.  He is as good of a run blocker that GB has ever seen... and yes, I am including the many greats of the past.

Quote from: Hards Alumni on December 06, 2024, 09:35:07 AMI'm saying that his offense is too predictable.  Because it is.  They had a great second half against a team that was missing a ton of starters.

And yes, ball control and time management is essential to winning football games.

It's so predictable...yet is one of the top offenses in the NFL.

And we should run the ball more because our passing was too successful.

This loss was entirely on the defense. The offense was absolutely fine. And has been so for many weeks now.

Christian Watson = Chris Grimm with the moving screen.

Quote from: tower912 on December 06, 2024, 07:49:08 AMGreen Bay is very good.  Their 4 losses are to Minnesota, Philadelphia, and twice to Detroit, by a combined 20 points.  They can go to toe with anybody.  They are a frightening get healthy,  get in, get hot type of playoff opponent.

They have 1 win against a team that would be in the Playoffs if the season ended today.  They aren't going on the road and beating a Playoff team.

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 06, 2024, 09:40:29 AMIt's so predictable...yet is one of the top offenses in the NFL.

And we should run the ball more because our passing was too successful.

This loss was entirely on the defense. The offense was absolutely fine. And has been so for many weeks now.

Look man, I'm not the only one saying this.  Yes, the defense needs to be better, obviously, it does.  But ignoring that there are tangible issues with the offense is silly.  Last night wasn't the first time that the Packers got bailed out a couple of times by penalties while on offense...

And I mentioned earlier.  Time of Possession is very important.  A bad defense can't be on the field for 13 more minutes than the offense and expect to perform.

Two of the Packers offensive scores came from a turnover on downs on the 30, and an INT where they started on the 16.  Two scores really quick is great but the ball control the rest of the game left a lot to be desired. 

Silverstein nails it- https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2024/12/06/the-last-thing-packers-should-want-is-another-shot-at-the-lions/76799490007/?tbref=hp

Quote from: wadesworld on December 06, 2024, 09:58:44 AMThey have 1 win against a team that would be in the Playoffs if the season ended today.  They aren't going on the road and beating a Playoff team.

If the season ended right now, they would be going to Seattle. We will see how that goes next Sunday night, but I have no doubts they can beat the Seahawks.

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Campbell wiped the floor with LaFleur last night.  MuFan12 is right.  Campbell owns LaFleur

Quote from: Hards Alumni on December 06, 2024, 09:59:04 AMLook man, I'm not the only one saying this.  Yes, the defense needs to be better, obviously, it does.  But ignoring that there are tangible issues with the offense is silly.  Last night wasn't the first time that the Packers got bailed out a couple of times by penalties while on offense...

And I mentioned earlier.  Time of Possession is very important.  A bad defense can't be on the field for 13 more minutes than the offense and expect to perform.

Two of the Packers offensive scores came from a turnover on downs on the 30, and an INT where they started on the 16.  Two scores really quick is great but the ball control the rest of the game left a lot to be desired.

Green Bay's offense literally never had the lead when they had the ball. Suggesting that they were scoring too quickly when playing from behind, makes zero sense to me. (Also, not bad for being "predicable.")

If they were ahead and trying to kill off the clock.? Absolutely.

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 06, 2024, 11:09:22 AMGreen Bay's offense literally never had the lead when they had the ball. Suggesting that they were scoring too quickly when playing from behind, makes zero sense to me. (Also, not bad for being "predicable.")

If they were ahead and trying to kill off the clock.? Absolutely.

Bold part is important.  Keeping your defense off the field is important.

Are you're suggesting that teams only want to control the ball while they're ahead?

Quote from: Hards Alumni on December 06, 2024, 11:18:27 AMBold part is important.  Keeping your defense off the field is important.

Are you're suggesting that teams only want to control the ball while they're ahead?

I'm suggesting that the top priority when you are behind is to score. And Detroit was loading the box, and taking their chances with Love beating them. And he almost did.

Criticizing an offense when they scored 24 points in the second half is misguided. The blame is on the defense.

The Packers scored quickly because the field was short.  You don't just take a knee to keep the clock running.

Quote from: wadesworld on December 06, 2024, 11:25:58 AMThe Packers scored quickly because the field was short.  You don't just take a knee to keep the clock running.

Correct. On two of their TD drives they had a short field. On the other, they completed a 60 yard pass to Watson because the Detroit defense was basically daring them to throw it.

The FG drive was 9 plays, four of which were runs.

You could critize the three and out that resulted in a punt, but Detroit did nothing with the ball after the punt anyway.