And again.

They gotta reflex that Browns Thursday night game that was moved in a couple weeks

They are must see with Jameis steering the ship

Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on December 02, 2024, 10:35:36 PMAnd there is the Jameis experience haha

Fun game that I was not expecting to watch much of though

Winston was a roller coaster for people to took the Browns +6.5 tonight.

Quote from: JWags85 on December 02, 2024, 10:26:25 PMJeudy has more receiving yards tonight that Watson had in total passing in any single game this year.

He's not an all pro, he's not a top 5 QB, but Jameis is as fun to watch as any QB in the NFL.  Just reckless abandon and moxy.

I had Jameis in one league and the Denver defense in another for Fantasy. I needed points in both and Jameis delivered. It was quite fun to watch.

"I'm praying for the Lord to deliver me from pick-sixes." - Jameis Winston

Good luck with that, Jameis! If there's one thing we know for certain based on everything that's happened during these last 6 decades of NFL football, it's that the Almighty has been a huge Cleveland Browns fan.

People are ragging on him for that comment, but when you watch his actual response, he says it with such sincerity that its hard to make fun of him.

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 03, 2024, 10:43:31 AMPeople are ragging on him for that comment, but when you watch his actual response, he says it with such sincerity that its hard to make fun of him.

Exactly, and said it in the midst of taking responsibility and owning how he needs to be better.  Just completely unfiltered and honest, while also being introspective and pensive.  He's gonna be incredible in the studio when he retires if thats what he wants to do.

This pretty much says it all.


https://x.com/barstoolsports/status/1863804498222670328



My text to my son last night at the end of the first half: "I really like Winston, but..."

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 03, 2024, 10:43:31 AMPeople are ragging on him for that comment, but when you watch his actual response, he says it with such sincerity that its hard to make fun of him.

I wasn't ragging on him at all, and I agree with you about his sincerity.

Quote from: MU82 on December 03, 2024, 02:36:29 PMI wasn't ragging on him at all, and I agree with you about his sincerity.

Did I quote you or say that you were ragging on him?

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 03, 2024, 02:41:29 PMDid I quote you or say that you were ragging on him?

Nope. You followed my post immediately with yours, and I guess I inferred something. But I guess I shouldn't have, and I appreciate that folks know I wasn't ragging on him.

Jameis seems like an awesome dude and has tons of talent as a QB. Like Wags said, he's not going to be a top 5-10 QB, but he is better than some starters in this league for sure.

He does tend to make 1-2 catastrophic mistakes in almost every game, and those are never easy for a team to overcome.

That could be one major reason why, despite his arm talent, Winston has become a journeyman QB.

Quote from: MU82 on December 03, 2024, 04:14:46 PMHe does tend to make 1-2 catastrophic mistakes in almost every game, and those are never easy for a team to overcome.

That could be one major reason why, despite his arm talent, Winston has become a journeyman QB.

I'm certain that's part of it. But he's better than whatever the Raiders and Giants have been running out there. I think the Saints would be a playoff team if he was under center instead of Carr. And he's clearly far better than Deshaun Watson.

I wouldn't want him as my starting QB but for teams like NY and LV, he'd instantly make them multiple wins better

Quote from: BM1090 on December 04, 2024, 02:15:24 PMI'm certain that's part of it. But he's better than whatever the Raiders and Giants have been running out there. I think the Saints would be a playoff team if he was under center instead of Carr. And he's clearly far better than Deshaun Watson.

I wouldn't want him as my starting QB but for teams like NY and LV, he'd instantly make them multiple wins better

You might be right. He'll be an unrestricted free agent after this season -  which he played under a 1-year, $4 million contract - so we'll see which team is willing to pay him to find out where he can take them. And then we'll see if he can deliver.

Quote from: MU82 on December 03, 2024, 04:14:46 PMHe does tend to make 1-2 catastrophic mistakes in almost every game, and those are never easy for a team to overcome.

That could be one major reason why, despite his arm talent, Winston has become a journeyman QB.

Feel like Jameis is Love's floor.

The one thing I do find interesting about Winston is the fact that until he got to NO, he had pretty mediocre positional coaching.  All the QB/OCs he had in Tampa either flamed out and are either out of NFL coaching or "analysts".  I think Lombardi and Curry actually helped him a lot in NO, but he blew out his knee one year and was never the unquestioned #1 otherwise.

Obviously there is plenty that rests on just how he plays, but you wonder if some of that could have been remedied when he was younger.

Quote from: JWags85 on December 05, 2024, 08:51:47 AMThe one thing I do find interesting about Winston is the fact that until he got to NO, he had pretty mediocre positional coaching.  All the QB/OCs he had in Tampa either flamed out and are either out of NFL coaching or "analysts".  I think Lombardi and Curry actually helped him a lot in NO, but he blew out his knee one year and was never the unquestioned #1 otherwise.

Obviously there is plenty that rests on just how he plays, but you wonder if some of that could have been remedied when he was younger.

I think they've said that he has spoken very highly of learning from Payton and Brees.

I would imagine he will be able to be a bridge QB moving forward.

Quote from: cheebs09 on December 05, 2024, 09:05:31 AMI think they've said that he has spoken very highly of learning from Payton and Brees.

I would imagine he will be able to be a bridge QB moving forward.

Agree. And a guy who slings the ball around like that is perfect for a team that needs to develop skill position players but isn't quite ready to contend yet.

Tom Brady, who continues to be meh at best as a TV analyst, came out with a bizarro (and just plain bad) take in blaming the QBs themselves for the kind of hit Trevor Lawrence took.

"When you run, you put yourself in a lot of danger, and when you do that, I don't think the onus of protecting an offensive quarterback who's running should be on a defensive player. I don't really think that's fair to the defense."

Uh no. The NFL has created rules specifically to protect "an offensive quarterback who's running" - or, specifically, who has signaled an end to a play by sliding. In addition to wanting to protect QBs for the health of the players, the league also wants to present a good product, and keeping QBs healthy is a big part of that.

You run, you slide, you're off-limits. Period. It's been a good rule that has helped keep the likes of Mahomes, Allen and Jackson healthy.

Beyond that, who whined more every time a fingernail was put on him than Tom Brady did? He would look to the ref, holding up his arms and screaming for a flag whenever he was touched.

I mean, when you drop back to pass, you put yourself in a lot of danger, and when you do that, I don't think the onus of protecting an offensive quarterback who's standing there like a statue should be on a defensive player. I don't really think that's fair to the defense.

Quote from: MU82 on December 05, 2024, 10:55:55 AMTom Brady, who continues to be meh at best as a TV analyst, came out with a bizarro (and just plain bad) take in blaming the QBs themselves for the kind of hit Trevor Lawrence took.

"When you run, you put yourself in a lot of danger, and when you do that, I don't think the onus of protecting an offensive quarterback who's running should be on a defensive player. I don't really think that's fair to the defense."

Uh no. The NFL has created rules specifically to protect "an offensive quarterback who's running" - or, specifically, who has signaled an end to a play by sliding. In addition to wanting to protect QBs for the health of the players, the league also wants to present a good product, and keeping QBs healthy is a big part of that.

You run, you slide, you're off-limits. Period. It's been a good rule that has helped keep the likes of Mahomes, Allen and Jackson healthy.

Beyond that, who whined more every time a fingernail was put on him than Tom Brady did? He would look to the ref, holding up his arms and screaming for a flag whenever he was touched.

I mean, when you drop back to pass, you put yourself in a lot of danger, and when you do that, I don't think the onus of protecting an offensive quarterback who's standing there like a statue should be on a defensive player. I don't really think that's fair to the defense.

I agree with this.

I do think the QBs are overly protected in general (they are still football players) and do push the limits of the slide rule at times. BUT, that was not the case this time. It was a dirty play and Lawrence was not at fault even remotely.

Of the 5 rookie QBs drafted early in the 1st round, who do you think will be the best in 5 years?

I have said from the beginning of the year that I thought Bo Nix would be ROY. If he isn't, it will probably be Daniels. Maye has been very good. I love to make fun of Caleb (he's a bear), and Pennix is unknown but Atlanta is following the GB blueprint.

5 years though, my bet would be on Caleb if he gets proper coaching. My guess would be 50% chance it's Caleb, 20% Nix or Maye, and 5% Daniels or Pennix. I am only overly low on Daniels cuz I don't think his narrow frame can hold up over the course of several years. I'm not questioning his skill.

Quote from: Jockey on December 05, 2024, 12:43:53 PMOf the 5 rookie QBs drafted early in the 1st round, who do you think will be the best in 5 years?

I have said from the beginning of the year that I thought Bo Nix would be ROY. If he isn't, it will probably be Daniels. Maye has been very good. I love to make fun of Caleb (he's a bear), and Pennix is unknown but Atlanta is following the GB blueprint.

5 years though, my bet would be on Caleb if he gets proper coaching. My guess would be 50% chance it's Caleb, 20% Nix or Maye, and 5% Daniels or Pennix. I am only overly low on Daniels cuz I don't think his narrow frame can hold up over the course of several years. I'm not questioning his skill.

I'll be a contrarian and say Maye

Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 05, 2024, 12:49:37 PMI'll be a contrarian and say Maye

Cannot believe you're already off the Ramsey bandwagon, given his outstanding skill set!

As for Jockey's question, I'll agree with Williams if he gets great coaching - which of course is a MAJOR "if" with the Bears. My next choice would be Nix, party because he will get great coaching. I also agree with injury concerns related to Daniels, unfortunately.

Quote from: MU82 on December 05, 2024, 01:05:40 PMCannot believe you're already off the Ramsey bandwagon, given his outstanding skill set!

As for Jockey's question, I'll agree with Williams if he gets great coaching - which of course is a MAJOR "if" with the Bears. My next choice would be Nix, party because he will get great coaching. I also agree with injury concerns related to Daniels, unfortunately.

So, having seen enough Williams this year, he is electric and can do some amazing things but his pocket progressions are slow and he's partly responsible for the pressure he faces.  Maybe that changes with coaching but some of the issues he had last year at USC look very familiar.  Honestly, a year sitting while working within a system that was in-place and would be in-place probably would have been great for him but in Chicago wasn't realistic.  Definitely has the athleticism of Allen and Lamar and could be those guys.  I'm skeptical.

Daniels has been better and maybe he's the next Lamar or Allen.  Is he big enough?  Keeping Kingsbury in D.C. would be a win for his continued development.

Bo Nix is still Bo Nix.  Electric and maddening at the same time.  Some Jameis in his game.  Can Payton coach it out of him?  Probably, given his history.

Maye has some Burrow to his game, imo.  Unfortunately for him, the talent around him is worse than the other 3 guys discussed and I'm not fully convinced there is a real plan in place to build that team.