Quote from: jfp61 on December 04, 2024, 09:27:13 PMThis time next year, were gonna reflect and laugh at how middle school joplin looks when he wants to make a move in the paint. That 3 turnovers was generous. Dribbled head down into the paint. Got shots blocked, and just dropped easy boards to defenders or OB.

If we weren't short handed tonight he plays under 20 minutes tonight

That's a bit harsh.

He had 3 blocks and 6 boards.

He's always gonna be a risk dribbling, but he's the 2nd leading scorer on the team.

I've said it once and I'll say it again, David Joplin is far and away the biggest xfactor to this seasons success, for good or bad.

Tonight our two best scorers were off, and the 1H defense was matador.
The surprising productivity from the frosh kept it respectable, but that won't be common.

Need Kam and Jop to ball to have a special season

Love how Jop has played this year, but, with an assist from a ghost call on a Stevie steal in a tie game, all the momentum we got tying the game went away when Jop decided it was his turn.

Outside of the spurt to tie the game, Kam missed shots he makes 90% of the time. Not worried about it, but could've changed this game.

Freshman are awesome. Royce will need to learn to move the ball, but better this than being afraid to score.

Iowa State is really good.

Hope our guys are healthy Saturday. Ben didn't return to the game after the under 4 timeout when he limped off, did he? Hope him and Chase are good to go.

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 04, 2024, 09:14:43 PMThis might be the best team we play all year. Got down big but we fought back. Love the energy.

This team can play with anyone.

Yep.  I'm encouraged by this game more than anything. 

Quote from: DoctorV on December 04, 2024, 09:32:43 PMJop  to have a special season

It was a bit harsh, but i disagree with this, Chase and Stevie are both just better than him. And the minutes should probably reflect it. Too many turnovers without generating enough.

As royce and owens get better it will be more apparent.

Quote from: tower912 on December 04, 2024, 09:23:03 PMSo Tre is the new scapegoat?  Sad.  There are no scapegoats tonight.  Shorthanded on the road against a top 10 team.

More like a separate subject than a scape goat for this game.  He has not played well offensively this year or last and does not show much promise to this point.  Hope his shoulder heals and that is the reason for his ineffectiveness.  Time will tell. 

Both freshman look like potential studs. Not worth worrying about but they'll get a butt load of cash thrown at them in the offseason I'd think.

Quote from: jfp61 on December 04, 2024, 09:27:13 PMThis time next year, were gonna reflect and laugh at how middle school joplin looks when he wants to make a move in the paint. That 3 turnovers was generous. Dribbled head down into the paint. Got shots blocked, and just dropped easy boards to defenders or OB.

If we weren't short handed tonight he plays under 20 minutes tonight

Yep.  He should not be relied upon to handle the ball or make decisions.  Not that type of player.  Catch and shoot, occasional post up and occasional midrange jumper.  Play some D, rebound and get it to a guard.  I like Jop.  He just has to stay in his lane.

No post play is going to hurt us all year long. Especially when we have limited penetration like we had tonight.  We had guys constantly being stopped and killing their dribble and throwing it back out to the perimeter.

Gold is an outside offensive player only and Caeden isn't a factor yet.  Teams will use this Iowa State game as a blueprint on how to stop Marquette which is to stop our penetration and limit their own turnovers. 

In general we're not a very smart team either with lots of senseless turnovers (mostly from Joplin) and lots of critical defensive breakdowns... often with only seconds left on the shot clock.

Need to be better at free throws also.

Lots to improve on. Glad the guys finally had a run where they tied the game in the 2nd half. I should have turned it off at that point as what was to follow was a bunch of missed easy shots to take the lead again.  ISU took advantage of all the misses and went on a 10 to 0 run to break the game open again. Ball game! 🙄🤦�♂️

Regroup and beat Wisconsin! 👏

Quote from: Shooter McGavin on December 04, 2024, 09:42:35 PMMore like a separate subject than a scape goat for this game.  He has not played well offensively this year or last and does not show much promise to this point.  Hope his shoulder heals and that is the reason for his ineffectiveness.  Time will tell.

Agree, not a scapegoat. But not showing signs of progression at all. Defense is suspect, and he had a wide open 3 coming down the stretch that barely got backboard. Still plays like a frosh.

Quote from: duanewade on December 04, 2024, 09:56:50 PMNo post play is going to hurt us all year long. Especially when we have limited penetration like we had tonight.  We had guys constantly being stopped and killing their dribble and throwing it back out to the perimeter.

Gold is an outside offensive player only and Caeden isn't a factor yet.  Teams will use this Iowa State game as a blueprint on how to stop Marquette which is to stop our penetration and limit their own turnovers. 

In general we're not a very smart team either with lots of senseless turnovers (mostly from Joplin) and lots of critical defensive breakdowns... often with only seconds left on the shot clock.

Need to be better at free throws also.

Lots to improve on. Glad the guys finally had a run where they tied the game in the 2nd half. I should have turned it off at that point as what was to follow was a bunch of missed easy shots to take the lead again.  ISU took advantage of all the misses and went on a 10 to 0 run to break the game open again. Ball game! 🙄🤦�♂️

Regroup and beat Wisconsin! 👏

Did Iowa St. have any post play tonight?

Quote from: duanewade on December 04, 2024, 09:56:50 PMNo post play is going to hurt us all year long. Especially when we have limited penetration like we had tonight.  We had guys constantly being stopped and killing their dribble and throwing it back out to the perimeter.

Gold is an outside offensive player only and Caeden isn't a factor yet.  Teams will use this Iowa State game as a blueprint on how to stop Marquette which is to stop our penetration and limit their own turnovers. 

In general we're not a very smart team either with lots of senseless turnovers (mostly from Joplin) and lots of critical defensive breakdowns... often with only seconds left on the shot clock.

Need to be better at free throws also.

Lots to improve on. Glad the guys finally had a run where they tied the game in the 2nd half. I should have turned it off at that point as what was to follow was a bunch of missed easy shots to take the lead again.  ISU took advantage of all the misses and went on a 10 to 0 run to break the game open again. Ball game! 🙄🤦�♂️

Regroup and beat Wisconsin! 👏

Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on December 04, 2024, 09:59:21 PMDid Iowa St. have any post play tonight?

Exactly.  I'm more concerned with our interior defense . 

Quote from: Shooter McGavin on December 04, 2024, 09:34:28 PMYep.  I'm encouraged by this game more than anything. 

You nailed it, Shooter.

I'm bummed if Ross and/or Gold has to miss any games, but otherwise almost all positive thoughts. I mean, we hung in there, shorthanded, on the road, and rallied big-time against a real good team.

I'm especially psyched about our freshmen's future, and I agree with those who say this could pay tremendous dividends later in the season.

Related:

Owens is shooting .875 from behind the arc!

I'm both pleased with the effort and very worried about the roster.

We have a gauntlet ahead and are very banged up.

Sean and Zaide are likely out for a bit yet. Chase injured tonight, Ben possibly too.

That leaves Kam, Stevie, Jop, Caedin, Royce, Damarius, Tre. Shaka has said Stevie is playing through injuries and we know Tre had the shoulder issue. Damarius is somewhat fresh off a broken toe.

We are absolutely low on bodies and the ones we have are mostly banged up.

Gonna take some major guts to stay afloat. Time for some growth!

Not a horrible game, other than the potential injuries. 

The past few years MU has gotten some big home non-con wins vs ranked teams.  Tables turned in this one.  Would have loved a W, but not concerned.

Quote from: jfp61 on December 04, 2024, 09:27:13 PMThis time next year, were gonna reflect and laugh at how middle school joplin looks when he wants to make a move in the paint. That 3 turnovers was generous. Dribbled head down into the paint. Got shots blocked, and just dropped easy boards to defenders or OB.

If we weren't short handed tonight he plays under 20 minutes tonight

. Jop is the easiest guy on the team to guard.  Run him off the 3 and it's a Turnover or a miss... and he never passes and loves to drive.  The games where he just catches and shoots he "plays" well.  The games where he tries to drive are a disaster.  I'll say it again.  Remove $1000 of his NIL money each time he drives.  He's out there to catch and shoot and rebound. 

A lot like the SH game last year - tied it at 66-66 with 5:46 left after being down 10, but then didn't score for the 3.5 minutes and SH pushed to to 66-76. Oh well, it happens, hopefully the guys learn some lessons and Chase gets healthy soon.

Extra sucks because Duke and Creighton did us solids and we probably would've been #1 after crushing Bucky.

Quote from: MuggsyB on December 04, 2024, 09:28:09 PMThey did but Jop seemed a little jumpy emotionally to me.  Their physicality gave him some probs.  We need Jop moving forward.

We need him but can he get consistently better. Let's hope so. He is who he is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3iKPY_3u4s

Good stuff, as usual.    Iowa State is good, even tougher at home.   Freshmen are gifted offensively, need to get better defensively.    The steal/foul call on Stevie was big. 

Quote from: WarriorFan on December 05, 2024, 12:41:17 AM. Jop is the easiest guy on the team to guard.  Run him off the 3 and it's a Turnover or a miss... and he never passes and loves to drive.  The games where he just catches and shoots he "plays" well.  The games where he tries to drive are a disaster.  I'll say it again.  Remove $1000 of his NIL money each time he drives.  He's out there to catch and shoot and rebound. 

Glad you're not in charge. jesus.

Quote from: Hards Alumni on December 05, 2024, 06:33:51 AMGlad you're not in charge. jesus.

I'm a big fan of taking away his NIL money when he drives.  It's a sure fire way to make him a better player

I would have titled the thread: The Attack of the Clones. I watched on Disney+.

Quote from: muwarrior69 on December 05, 2024, 06:39:07 AMI would have titled the thread: The Attack of the Clones. I watched on Disney+.

I thought about it.  Seemed too cliche' to me.

Would love a rematch the second weekend of the tournament come March.

Quote from: Afroman on December 04, 2024, 09:19:39 PMOwens and Parham are beasts. The program is in good hands.

This was my biggest takeaway from the game. This was a road game against the No. 6 team in the country and we needed them -- and neither shrank in the moment. They played well. Sure, there were freshman moments, but both seemed at ease in a very tense game. They're ready and both will be big contributors the rest of the season. In the past Shaka has had a tendency to have a very short bench down the stretch in bigger games. I think that if Sean comes back, we'll see 9-10 guys getting minutes. Also, it's been said before, but it won't surprise me at all if the freshmen get more minutes than the sophmores.

Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 05, 2024, 06:38:11 AMI'm a big fan of taking away his NIL money when he drives.  It's a sure fire way to make him a better player

Yeah we have some real high level coaching ideas here.

Anyway, I guess Joplin is the guy who we're going to blame for everything that goes wrong this year.