Quote from: WhiteTrash on November 01, 2024, 01:50:52 PMGood or bad, the Bears do not show a lot of patience with HCs

I don't think that's necessarily the case. What Bears' HC has been fired lately who even remotely deserved another year?

The hot rumor is that Ben Johnson was holding out for the Chicago job, which never opened.   I have no idea if it is true.  Another rumor is that he interviewed poorly.   He is the hot OC right now, so there will be rumors.

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on November 01, 2024, 01:42:35 PMI don't think there is much chance he is fired after this year. I think there may be a new offensive coordinator, but firing Flus if he improves on last year is just not something the Bears are going to do.

I agree because the bears are cheap.

The only caveat is that Poles tied his career/success at Bears' GM to Caleb.

So, he might do what he can to be sure Caleb succeeds

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on November 01, 2024, 01:56:49 PMI don't think that's necessarily the case. What Bears' HC has been fired lately who even remotely deserved another year?

Lovie Smith was 10-6 and was fired.

Quote from: WhiteTrash on November 01, 2024, 02:20:03 PMLovie Smith was 10-6 and was fired.

But had missed the playoffs 5 out of his previous 6 seasons.

Quote from: Pakuni on November 01, 2024, 03:12:41 PMBut had missed the playoffs 5 out of his previous 6 seasons.

So he didn't "remotely deserve another year"?

I recommend the Bears bring this staff back

Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 01, 2024, 03:57:32 PMI recommend the Bears bring this staff back

Didn't you also recommend DePaul bring back their staff too?

Quote from: WhiteTrash on November 01, 2024, 04:17:13 PMDidn't you also recommend DePaul bring back their staff too?

Yes.  No one would have saw it coming.  Zig while others zag.

Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 01, 2024, 04:19:28 PMYes.  No one would have saw it coming.  Zig while others zag.

Quote from: WhiteTrash on November 01, 2024, 03:16:57 PMSo he didn't "remotely deserve another year"?

His firing was not unreasonable.

I think Lovie's firing would be looked back on as "reasonable" and "totally fine" if they didn't follow him up with a dork who lost the locker room in no time at all.

Quote from: Pakuni on November 01, 2024, 04:31:02 PMHis firing was not unreasonable.

I would agree with that but I was replying to Sultan's question. I think Lovie's firing was mostly received with surprise in the NFL. The Bears have had a short leash on their coaches, mostly deserved, and IMO Flus will not prove to be the exception.

Quote from: WhiteTrash on November 01, 2024, 05:43:25 PMI would agree with that but I was replying to Sultan's question. I think Lovie's firing was mostly received with surprise in the NFL. The Bears have had a short leash on their coaches, mostly deserved, and IMO Flus will not prove to be the exception.

Disagree. They've fired most folks 1-2 seasons too late

Quote from: jesmu84 on November 01, 2024, 06:15:34 PMDisagree. They've fired most folks 1-2 seasons too late

4 coaches in 11 seasons since Lovie. In line with the NFL average of 3.2 years.

Not going to fight you on this, but I have to say you have a very, very short leash. Maybe the Bears need you as GM.

I think everyone will agree if they fire Fus, it will be inline with your assertion of being "a year too late"

The Bears maybe too patience for you but at least they are not Jerry Jones or Vikings or Bengals.

Quote from: tower912 on November 01, 2024, 02:11:23 PMThe hot rumor is that Ben Johnson was holding out for the Chicago job, which never opened.   I have no idea if it is true.  Another rumor is that he interviewed poorly.   He is the hot OC right now, so there will be rumors.

Tepper desperately wanted him for the Panthers and supposedly threw mega-money at him, but Johnson wisely said no.

The Bears job is no great shakes, either, but it's miles better than Carolina's.

Quote from: WhiteTrash on November 01, 2024, 06:46:46 PM4 coaches in 11 seasons since Lovie. In line with the NFL average of 3.2 years.

Not going to fight you on this, but I have to say you have a very, very short leash. Maybe the Bears need you as GM.

I think everyone will agree if they fire Fus, it will be inline with your assertion of being "a year too late"

The Bears maybe too patience for you but at least they are not Jerry Jones or Vikings or Bengals.

Maybe they should stop hiring bad coaches.

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on November 01, 2024, 08:25:31 PMMaybe they should stop hiring bad coaches.

And if the would out score the other team in every game and if evey starter was All Pro, that would also help. It's really that simple.

My point is that the reason the Bears only have coaches around for a few years isn't because they give them a short leash. It's because they're bad.

Quote from: WhiteTrash on November 01, 2024, 06:46:46 PM4 coaches in 11 seasons since Lovie. In line with the NFL average of 3.2 years.

Not going to fight you on this, but I have to say you have a very, very short leash. Maybe the Bears need you as GM.

I think everyone will agree if they fire Fus, it will be inline with your assertion of being "a year too late"

The Bears maybe too patience for you but at least they are not Jerry Jones or Vikings or Bengals.

Trubisky, fields, williams.

The bears have unnatural carnal knowledgeed up with coaching and rookie QBs

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on November 01, 2024, 09:04:51 PMMy point is that the reason the Bears only have coaches around for a few years isn't because they give them a short leash. It's because they're bad.

Can I introduce you to Matt Eberflus? 0.341 winning %.

Quote from: jesmu84 on November 01, 2024, 10:46:42 PMTrubisky, fields, williams.

The bears have unnatural carnal knowledgeed up with coaching and rookie QBs

This might be what you're saying, but I think Trubisky and Fields just aren't good quarterbacks. It's not like they left and killed it elsewhere, unlike someone like Sam Darnold or Malik Willis who got to a good situation and look like good QBs.

Quote from: WhiteTrash on November 01, 2024, 08:58:37 PMAnd if the would out score the other team in every game and if evey starter was All Pro, that would also help. It's really that simple.

Sultan isn't wrong.  Trestman schtick worked in the CFL but he was a NFL nomad prior to that.  Had success as OC in spots but seemed to wear out his welcome pretty quick.

John Fox was past his prime by time he came to Chicago.

Nagy wasn't a good coach and his offense was gimmicky.  Remember his first game as coach against the Packers.  Ran a bunch of misdirection that the Packers figured out and shut down.  Never had a counter.  Offense never developed under him.

Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 02, 2024, 07:24:47 AMSultan isn't wrong.  Trestman schtick worked in the CFL but he was a NFL nomad prior to that.  Had success as OC in spots but seemed to wear out his welcome pretty quick.

John Fox was past his prime by time he came to Chicago.

Nagy wasn't a good coach and his offense was gimmicky.  Remember his first game as coach against the Packers.  Ran a bunch of misdirection that the Packers figured out and shut down.  Never had a counter.  Offense never developed under him.

Sultan was most definitely not wrong.

I was originally pointing out the the Bears do fire coaches and do it rather quickly compared to other NFL teams. I specifically did not address the merits of the decisions to fire HCs. He made a valid argument that the hires were bad and the HCs needed to be fired.

I was being snarky because I felt his point was obvious and simplistic. IMO ownership has hired poor GMs that make poor HC hires and personnel moves.

Quote from: WhiteTrash on November 02, 2024, 08:14:48 AMSultan was most definitely not wrong.

I was originally pointing out the the Bears do fire coaches and do it rather quickly compared to other NFL teams. I specifically did not address the merits of the decisions to fire HCs. He made a valid argument that the hires were bad and the HCs needed to be fired.

I was being snarky because I felt his point was obvious and simplistic. IMO ownership has hired poor GMs that make poor HC hires and personnel moves.

That, too.