Quote from: Pakuni on June 19, 2024, 06:30:31 PM
The Ringer's latest has TK all the way up to Miami at #15.
Riley all in on annoying white kids with Wisconsin connections.

Oso not in their draft. Rico rejoices.

https://nbadraft.theringer.com/mock-draft

Hahahaha!  Suck it, Oso!

Quote from: Pakuni on June 19, 2024, 06:30:31 PM
The Ringer's latest has TK all the way up to Miami at #15.
Riley all in on annoying white kids with Wisconsin connections.

Oso not in their draft. Rico rejoices.

https://nbadraft.theringer.com/mock-draft

It'd be fun to see Tyler play with Jimmy.

New mock from The Athletic:

TK #22 to the Suns
Oso #46 to the Clips

And Donovan Clingan #1 overall.


https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5571609/2024/06/20/nba-mock-draft-hawks-donovan-clingan-bronny-james/

Quote from: Pakuni on June 20, 2024, 09:11:14 AM
New mock from The Athletic:

TK #22 to the Suns
Oso #46 to the Clips

And Donovan Clingan #1 overall.


https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5571609/2024/06/20/nba-mock-draft-hawks-donovan-clingan-bronny-james/

Boooooo

Quote from: 4everwarriors on June 19, 2024, 06:58:22 PM
Nah, stunk up the post season, major. Cost himself mucho dinero, aina?

Reed Sheppard averaged 8.5 points, 4 assists, 1.5 rebounds, 2 steals, 0 blocks, and 2 turnovers in 2 postseason games (loss to TAMU in SEC quarterfinals, loss in first round to Oakland).

Really goes to show those NBA teams are locked in on your postseason performance as Reed is now projected to be picked...*checks notes*...3rd overall in this year's NBA Draft.

Quote from: wadesworld on June 20, 2024, 10:03:50 AM
Reed Sheppard averaged 8.5 points, 4 assists, 1.5 rebounds, 2 steals, 0 blocks, and 2 turnovers in 2 postseason games (loss to TAMU in SEC quarterfinals, loss in first round to Oakland).

Really goes to show those NBA teams are locked in on your postseason performance as Reed is now projected to be picked...*checks notes*...3rd overall in this year's NBA Draft.

Sports savvy

Quote from: wadesworld on June 20, 2024, 10:03:50 AM
Reed Sheppard averaged 8.5 points, 4 assists, 1.5 rebounds, 2 steals, 0 blocks, and 2 turnovers in 2 postseason games (loss to TAMU in SEC quarterfinals, loss in first round to Oakland).

Really goes to show those NBA teams are locked in on your postseason performance as Reed is now projected to be picked...*checks notes*...3rd overall in this year's NBA Draft.

Guys at the top of the draft usually stay there regardless - scouts view them as elite. Guys in the 25-75 range (like Oso) are looked upon differently. Lottery tickets whose perceived value is volatile, things like tourney performance and combine measurables can move them up or down a lot. Both of Oso weren't good and his stock took a tumble.

Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 20, 2024, 06:42:36 PM
Guys at the top of the draft usually stay there regardless - scouts view them as elite. Guys in the 25-75 range (like Oso) are looked upon differently. Lottery tickets whose perceived value is volatile, things like tourney performance and combine measurables can move them up or down a lot. Both of Oso weren't good and his stock took a tumble.

At least you got half of what they look at right.

Oso's a short, thin center with short arms that can't shoot. His performance in the NCAA Tournament didn't change that.

Devin Carter was looked at as a mid to late first round pick, shot 43% from the field and 30% from 3 in the BET, missed the NCAA Tournament, and is now being projected in the top 10 of some Drafts. Why? Because he tested through the roof at the Combine.

Kel'el Ware was projected as an early second round pick, shot 10/34 and 0/2 from 3 in his 2 B1G Tourney games, didn't make the NCAA Tournament, and is now a potential lottery pick.

I could go on, but I think most reasonable people understand that NBA GMs aren't ignoring 3.9 years of a player's career because of what they did in a 5 game sample size.

Quote from: wadesworld on June 20, 2024, 06:45:17 PM
At least you got half of what they look at right.

Oso's a short, thin center with short arms that can't shoot. His performance in the NCAA Tournament didn't change that.

Devin Carter was looked at as a mid to late first round pick, shot 43% from the field and 30% from 3 in the BET, missed the NCAA Tournament, and is now being projected in the top 10 of some Drafts. Why? Because he tested through the roof at the Combine.

Nah, it was the tournament. 

Quote from: wadesworld on June 20, 2024, 06:45:17 PM


I could go on, but I think most reasonable people understand that NBA GMs aren't ignoring 3.9 years of a player's career because of what they did in a 5 game sample size.

Actually I think most reasonable people understand that NBA GMs do totally ignore at least the first 3 years of a guy who is still playing college basketball as a senior.

Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 20, 2024, 07:41:52 PM
Actually I think most reasonable people understand that NBA GMs do totally ignore at least the first 3 years of a guy who is still playing college basketball as a senior.

I think seeing where they started to where they are 3 years later is actually pretty significant. But it is good you backed down from agreeing that Oso went from guaranteed millions to undrafted because of a few games he was dinged up in. Plenty of proof to disprove that theory over many Drafts.

Or Oso's stock didn't change with GM's and the " experts"  who do the mocks didn't have any real intel (or  insight) until after the combine?

Quote from: MuMark on June 20, 2024, 08:33:25 PM
Or Oso's stock didn't change with GM's and the " experts"  who do the mocks didn't have any real intel (or  insight) until after the combine?

Nope, it was the tournament

Anyone who believes Oso didn't crap da bed simply duzant know ball, hey?

Quote from: 4everwarriors on June 20, 2024, 08:37:41 PM
Anyone who believes Oso didn't crap da bed simply duzant know ball, hey?

Anyone who believes the NBA drafts on 3 games in the tournament doesn't know ball, hey?

2023 tournament -

188 offensive rating against Vermont, 14 points on 7-8 shooting.

125 offensive rating against Sparty, 10 points on 4-6 shooting with 7 rebounds.

Did he crap da bed in those games or don't they count?

Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 20, 2024, 08:52:51 PM
Anyone who believes the NBA drafts on 3 games in the tournament doesn't know ball, hey?

2023 tournament -

188 offensive rating against Vermont, 14 points on 7-8 shooting.

125 offensive rating against Sparty, 10 points on 4-6 shooting with 7 rebounds.

Did he crap da bed in those games or don't they count?

Diener had 8 turnovers in his last NCAA game,  but still got drafted Rico!

Neck size trumps all

Quote from: MUDPT on June 20, 2024, 09:44:28 PM

Diener had 8 turnovers in his last NCAA game,  but still got drafted Rico!

That's different.  He's a white guy from Wisconsin

Quote from: wadesworld on June 20, 2024, 08:27:10 PM
I think seeing where they started to where they are 3 years later is actually pretty significant.

If you honestly think what Oso did as a freshman (nothing) or what TK did at George Mason has anything to do with where they'll be drafted I think you're nuts. If you're just defending an indefensible statement, ok then.

Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 21, 2024, 01:51:06 PM

If you honestly think what Oso did as a freshman (nothing) or what TK did at George Mason has anything to do with where they'll be drafted I think you're nuts. If you're just defending an indefensible statement, ok then.

Like I said, seeing how a player improved (or didn't) is definitely something a team looks at.

Quote from: wadesworld on June 21, 2024, 01:52:56 PM
Like I said, seeing how a player improved (or didn't) is definitely something a team looks at.

C'mon. Guys who don't enter the draft until after their 4th year of college basketball have by definition improved or else they wouldn't be considered. But as 22, 23 or 24 year old potential rookies what they did at 18 or 19 is totally meaningless. How they played as seniors and how they finished? That, otoh, counts for something.

Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 21, 2024, 02:05:31 PM
C'mon. Guys who don't enter the draft until after their 4th year of college basketball have by definition improved or else they wouldn't be considered. But as 22, 23 or 24 year old potential rookies what they did at 18 or 19 is totally meaningless. How they played as seniors and how they finished? That, otoh, counts for something.

How they finished? In the tournament? When he was hurt? I doubt that has much impact at all.

Scouts watch guys all season........they aren't stupid enough to elevate a few games in the NCAA Tournament over a full body of work.

It's not that those games don't matter........it's that they are just a piece of the overall puzzle.......draft combine performance is much more impactful than 1 or 2 bad games in the post season.

Ps People that say others  " don't know ball" usually couldn't tell the difference between a basketball and a baseball........Confucius

Quote from: MuMark on June 21, 2024, 05:37:48 PM
Scouts watch guys all season........they aren't stupid enough to elevate a few games in the NCAA Tournament over a full body of work.

It's not that those games don't matter........it's that they are just a piece of the overall puzzle.......draft combine performance is much more impactful than 1 or 2 bad games in the post season.

Ps People that say others  " don't know ball" usually couldn't tell the difference between a basketball and a baseball........Confucius

Nailed it.

Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 21, 2024, 01:51:06 PM

If you honestly think what Oso did as a freshman (nothing) or what TK did at George Mason has anything to do with where they'll be drafted I think you're nuts. If you're just defending an indefensible statement, ok then.

It does matter, because it shows they are coachable. Kolek, in particular, has two elite skills, his shooting and his pick n roll play. When he arrived here, he shot poorly and completely reworked his shot and he was mediocre in pick n roll and became the best in the country.

That demonstrates his third elite skill, which is how receptive he is to coaching. That is obviously something that matters.