I've been waiting for someone to start this, but Scoop has been so wrapped up in our current problems that it is almost as if Saturday's game has been forgotten.
Pluses for Marquette:
We beat them once this season. We have an 8-0 streak going vs. Creighton. our team will want to redeem itself after our recent performances. Lastly, they had at least one really bad game @ Georgetown, where they got blown out. It's not as if they cannot have a bad game.
Then there's Creighton:
I believe their current win streak since losing to MU is 8, they are at home, Kalk is coming off a 35-point performance, and damn they are playing really well right now. If UCONN takes down SJ on Friday and Creighton wins this game, they are tied for 1st place.
With my standard rejoinders- 1) I really hope I'm wrong and 2) use me as your punching bag if we win-I will happily take whatever you dish out- I think we lose this one. Cue the COLE.
100%. Creighton sucks.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on February 06, 2025, 11:06:48 AMI've been waiting for someone to start this, but Scoop has been so wrapped up in our current problems that it is almost as if Saturday's game has been forgotten.
Pluses for Marquette:
We beat them once this season. We have an 8-0 streak going vs. Creighton. our team will want to redeem itself after our recent performances. Lastly, they had at least one really bad game @ Georgetown, where they got blown out. It's not as if they cannot have a bad game.
Then there's Creighton:
I believe their current win streak since losing to MU is 8, they are at home, Kalk is coming off a 35-point performance, and damn they are playing really well right now. If UCONN takes down SJ on Friday and Creighton wins this game, they are tied for 1st place.
With my standard rejoinders- 1) I really hope I'm wrong and 2) use me as your punching bag if we win-I will happily take whatever you dish out- I think we lose this one. Cue the COLE.
We have an 8-0 streak against Creighton? What exactly does that mean?
Creighton is rolling. Kalkbrenner is rolling. Ben has to be able to play him effectively for 30 minutes.
We do not have an 8-0 streak going against Creighton. We lost to them last year in Omaha, 2 games ago against them.
We're a better team than they are, but we aren't playing well right now and we're on the road. I'll go with a close win.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 06, 2025, 11:11:48 AMWe have an 8-0 streak against Creighton? What exactly does that mean?
Yeah. We lost to them 3 times in 2022 and once last year. Shaka is 4-4 vs. Creighton.
But I think we beat them this week. They have an effective but not disruptive defense. And they aren't a very explosive or deep team. They are good. We definitely can lose. But this is one I think we get.
Quote from: BM1090 on February 06, 2025, 11:13:59 AMYeah. We lost to them 3 times in 2022 and once last year. Shaka is 4-4 vs. Creighton.
But I think we beat them this week. They have an effective but not disruptive defense. And they aren't a very explosive or deep team. They are good. We definitely can lose. But this is one I think we get.
Yup. They won't overwhelm us with physicality and athleticism like St. John's and, to a lesser extent, UCONN did. My worry is they can get extremely hot in that building. But I'm hoping Stevie continues to give Ashworth nightmares, and when you cut the head of the snake off...
Quote from: wadesworld on February 06, 2025, 11:16:25 AMYup. They won't overwhelm us with physicality and athleticism like St. John's and, to a lesser extent, UCONN did. My worry is they can get extremely hot in that building. But I'm hoping Stevie continues to give Ashworth nightmares, and when you cut the head of the snake off...
Agreed. And the two teams that have beat us recently have had an ability to switch 1-5 and make us play them 1v1. Creighton can't do that.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 06, 2025, 11:11:48 AMWe have an 8-0 streak against Creighton? What exactly does that mean?
Motivation for Creighton to end it.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 06, 2025, 11:13:24 AMWe do not have an 8-0 streak going against Creighton. We lost to them last year in Omaha, 2 games ago against them.
We're a better team than they are, but we aren't playing well right now and we're on the road. I'll go with a close win.
My bad. I should know better than to repeat what announcers say without checking it out.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on February 06, 2025, 11:21:16 AMMotivation for Creighton to end it.
End what? I guess then is my question. They definitely do not have an 8 game winning streak against Creighton if that is what you meant by that.
We are 4-1 in the last 5. 4-4 in the last 8.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 06, 2025, 11:23:13 AMEnd what? I guess then is my question. They definitely do not have an 8 game winning streak against Creighton if that is what you meant by that.
We are 4-1 in the last 5. 4-4 in the last 8.
See above reply to Wades.
We have a 1-game winning streak against them. They beat us March 2, 2024. Overall, Shaka is 4-4 against Creighton, but three of the four losses came in 2021-22 when they swept us and knocked us out of the BET.
I do think we are a tough matchup for them. Our strength is winning the turnover battle. They turn it over a lot and don't force any in return, so that is an area we should win. They also aren't a great offensive rebounding team, so don't expect them to generate many additional shots in that manner. Between turnovers and their lack of O-boards, expect us to have more scoring chances.
They also get a great whistle. Kalkbrenner has never fouled out and has been whistled for 4 just once in the past two seasons. We won't get much at the line unless we have a lead late and they are trying to extend the game. On the plus side, we're #322 in percent of points from the line, so that's not really how we score anyway.
My biggest worry is their shooting. Creighton shoots 38.1% from three at home vs just 30.4% away from CHI. We need to weather their shooting, force turnovers, and drag Kalk out of the paint. It's a winnable game, but that is a tough building to win in for anyone.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 06, 2025, 11:13:24 AMWe do not have an 8-0 streak going against Creighton. We lost to them last year in Omaha, 2 games ago against them.
We're a better team than they are, but we aren't playing well right now and we're on the road. I'll go with a close win.
I guess we will find out which team is better when they play. MU is a few spots higher on kenpom but Creighton has a better conference record. I wouldn't say MU is better than UConn or SJU. MU can beat all of those teams if they play very well. At the end of the day, however, you're as good as your record says you are.
Quote from: tower912 on February 06, 2025, 11:12:43 AMCreighton is rolling. Kalkbrenner is rolling. Ben has to be able to play him effectively for 30 minutes.
As somebody alteady said, "I'll take Things Not Happening for $500 Alex"
Quote from: wadesworld on February 06, 2025, 11:13:24 AMWe do not have an 8-0 streak going against Creighton. We lost to them last year in Omaha, 2 games ago against them.
If you don't count the losses, we are undefeated as a program.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 06, 2025, 11:34:00 AMWe have a 1-game winning streak against them. They beat us March 2, 2024. Overall, Shaka is 4-4 against Creighton, but three of the four losses came in 2021-22 when they swept us and knocked us out of the BET.
I do think we are a tough matchup for them. Our strength is winning the turnover battle. They turn it over a lot and don't force any in return, so that is an area we should win. They also aren't a great offensive rebounding team, so don't expect them to generate many additional shots in that manner. Between turnovers and their lack of O-boards, expect us to have more scoring chances.
They also get a great whistle. Kalkbrenner has never fouled out and has been whistled for 4 just once in the past two seasons. We won't get much at the line unless we have a lead late and they are trying to extend the game. On the plus side, we're #322 in percent of points from the line, so that's not really how we score anyway.
My biggest worry is their shooting. Creighton shoots 38.1% from three at home vs just 30.4% away from CHI. We need to weather their shooting, force turnovers, and drag Kalk out of the paint. It's a winnable game, but that is a tough building to win in for anyone.
I've always felt like we play and shoot well there, so I looked it up.
Since Wojo took over in 2014-15, Marquette is 6-4 @ Creighton.
In that time we are 96-227 from 3, good for 42.2%. It is a shooter friendly arena.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on February 06, 2025, 11:46:06 AMI guess we will find out which team is better when they play. MU is a few spots higher on kenpom but Creighton has a better conference record. I wouldn't say MU is better than UConn or SJU. MU can beat all of those teams if they play very well. At the end of the day, however, you're as good as your record says you are.
I guess I consider more than conference record when determining who's better. We already beat them and have a much better resume. Hopefully we can beat them again Saturday.
Schedule L
Our chances of beating Creighton are higher than beating UConn or St. Johns for reasons already stated. That said, hard to like our chances with the way we've been playing.
Neal is the X factor for CU to me. Jop is the X factor for us. They don't have anyone that can guard Joplin. Neal has the ability to match a bit of MU's athleticism.
Kam also should be a major problem for Creighton, but he is for most.
Zero
McDermott owns Shaka
0 chance
My back of the napkin math has Marquette's chances of winning at a solid 69%.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on February 06, 2025, 12:31:10 PMMy back of the napkin math has Marquette's chances of winning at a solid 69%.
Nice
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on February 06, 2025, 12:02:33 PMOur chances of beating Creighton are higher than beating UConn or St. Johns for reasons already stated. That said, hard to like our chances with the way we've been playing.
I'm going to check the family tree I have on Ancestry, because I'm beginning to suspect that we are related. ;D I like what I am reading from scoopers here who seem to have a cautiously optimistic take on the matchup. Let's hope the first part of my bball motto-"Often wrong, but never in doubt" comes true.
I'm admittedly rattled not only by the 3 losses but the 1st half of the GT game and the scary DePaul game. Having advantages vs. Creighton as outlined here give me more hope.
We benefitted from Ashworth going 1-13 from three in the last game and will need that again. In his next game at Butler he went 1-8 but since then then he's shooting 48% from three at home and on the season 43% from three at home. He also hasn't missed a free throw at home all season. Stevie, Chase and Kam have a size and quickness advantage on him and can force him into another poor shooting night. Kalk also had his worst shooting game against (not include Nebraska where he only got one FG attempt) and is shooting 75% at home. If we can push him further out as well as be physical with him again on his shots from within 5 feet we will win this game.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on February 06, 2025, 01:37:05 PMWe benefitted from Ashworth going 1-13 from three in the last game and will need that again. In his next game at Butler he went 1-8 but since then then he's shooting 48% from three at home and on the season 43% from three at home. He also hasn't missed a free throw at home all season. Stevie, Chase and Kam have a size and quickness advantage on him and can force him into another poor shooting night. Kalk also had his worst shooting game against (not include Nebraska where he only got one FG attempt) and is shooting 75% at home. If we can push him further out as well as be physical with him again on his shots from within 5 feet we will win this game.
We absolutely do NOT need Ashworth to go 1-13 to win. Sure it'd help, but not needed.
All we NEED to win is to score more points than Creighton. That can happen in an almost infinite amount of ways. We are the better team. Just have to be crisp on the road.
Quote from: willie warrior on February 06, 2025, 11:46:54 AMAs somebody alteady said, "I'll take Things Not Happening for $500 Alex"
He did last time. Hopefully, his legs are up to it.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on February 06, 2025, 01:37:05 PMWe benefitted from Ashworth going 1-13 from three in the last game and will need that again. In his next game at Butler he went 1-8 but since then then he's shooting 48% from three at home and on the season 43% from three at home. He also hasn't missed a free throw at home all season. Stevie, Chase and Kam have a size and quickness advantage on him and can force him into another poor shooting night. Kalk also had his worst shooting game against (not include Nebraska where he only got one FG attempt) and is shooting 75% at home. If we can push him further out as well as be physical with him again on his shots from within 5 feet we will win this game.
I just hope Ashworth isn't banking in 3s from the deep corner.
As was the case with our "lucky wins," Creighton looked shaky their last two games; they were especially fortunate to beat Nova on the luckiest shot in college basketball this season.
Tough place to play, and I don't assume a win, but we definitely can beat (and have beaten) that team.
It feels good to see the optimism in this thread. Sadly, I'm leaning towards a loss on this one... I agree we're better, but after losing the first match-up, Creighton's going to much better prepared for our defense than they were at Fiserv. Seems like a recipe for trouble when you add that to how well they shoot at home, especially against ranked opponents.
That said, Marquette usually does find a way to win whenever I'm expecting a loss.
Marquette wins this one. After the physicality of UCONN and St. John's, Creighton is going to appear comparatively soft and MU imposes its will on the Bluejays. MU gets its mojo back and starts a 6-game winning streak against inferior opponents.
Book it.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on February 06, 2025, 11:06:48 AMI've been waiting for someone to start this, but Scoop has been so wrapped up in our current problems that it is almost as if Saturday's game has been forgotten.
Pluses for Marquette:
We beat them once this season. We have an 8-0 streak going vs. Creighton. our team will want to redeem itself after our recent performances. Lastly, they had at least one really bad game @ Georgetown, where they got blown out. It's not as if they cannot have a bad game.
Then there's Creighton:
I believe their current win streak since losing to MU is 8, they are at home, Kalk is coming off a 35-point performance, and damn they are playing really well right now. If UCONN takes down SJ on Friday and Creighton wins this game, they are tied for 1st place.
With my standard rejoinders- 1) I really hope I'm wrong and 2) use me as your punching bag if we win-I will happily take whatever you dish out- I think we lose this one. Cue the COLE.
Marquette lost at Creighton 89 - 75 last year in Omaha. The winning streak is at one.
Quote from: bradforster on February 06, 2025, 04:28:30 PMMarquette lost at Creighton 89 - 75 last year in Omaha. The winning streak is at one game.
Quote from: bradforster on February 06, 2025, 04:28:30 PMMarquette lost at Creighton 89 - 75 last year in Omaha. The winning streak is at one.
This was covered in about 6 other posts.
Seems like the poster was thinking of Nova.
Quote from: BrewCity83 on February 06, 2025, 04:26:47 PMMarquette wins this one. After the physicality of UCONN and St. John's, Creighton is going to appear comparatively soft and MU imposes its will on the Bluejays. MU gets its mojo back and starts a 6-game winning streak against inferior opponents.
Book it.
That, or we rack up a ton of fouls due to how much softer Creighton is.
In the Reddit game thread last game, Creighton fans were whining non-stop about MU's defense. Clearly they're not accustomed to seeing physicality. I would expect them to get a friendlier whistle at home.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 06, 2025, 04:30:40 PMThis was covered in about 6 other posts.
Seems like the poster was thinking of Nova.
Oh, my bad.
We beat them soon after they lost Issac's for the season. Creighton has overcome that loss.
Creighton is the best team in the Big East. Of course they could always have an off-shooting night, so we have a chance.
Quote from: bilsu on February 06, 2025, 06:57:16 PMWe beat them soon after they lost Issac's for the season. Creighton has overcome that loss.
Creighton is the best team in the Big East. Of course they could always have an off-shooting night, so we have a chance.
We don't. We suck.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on February 06, 2025, 01:37:05 PMWe benefitted from Ashworth going 1-13 from three in the last game and will need that again. In his next game at Butler he went 1-8 but since then then he's shooting 48% from three at home and on the season 43% from three at home. He also hasn't missed a free throw at home all season. Stevie, Chase and Kam have a size and quickness advantage on him and can force him into another poor shooting night. Kalk also had his worst shooting game against (not include Nebraska where he only got one FG attempt) and is shooting 75% at home. If we can push him further out as well as be physical with him again on his shots from within 5 feet we will win this game.
Doubt he goes 1-13 again.
Like I said. Only easy wins. And the tough teams we beat were easy wins because they sucked when we played them and don't now. I hope the committee understands that when we played the good teams we beat they were sucking and aren't now. We have 0 good wins on the season and shouldn't get an invite. Don't want to see the inevitable first round loss.
I miss Wojo.
Quote from: bilsu on February 06, 2025, 06:57:16 PMWe beat them soon after they lost Issac's for the season. Creighton has overcome that loss.
Creighton is the best team in the Big East. Of course they could always have an off-shooting night, so we have a chance.
Eye test?
We aren't shooting well-esp Cam, we are beat up esp Stevie, we start slow and stay there esp first half, it's an away game, the sky is gray and it'd cold esp in Nebraska.
Therefore...
we win with pride on the line (and some) EGB. Subs mature and make a difference.
Quote from: DoggyDaddy on February 07, 2025, 07:29:46 AMWe aren't shooting well-esp Cam, we are beat up esp Stevie, we start slow and stay there esp first half, it's an away game, the sky is gray and it'd cold esp in Nebraska.
Therefore...
we win with pride on the line (and some) EGB. Subs mature and make a difference.
Cam graduated a few years ago
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 07, 2025, 07:31:43 AMCam graduated a few years ago
Get with the program, he is referencing Cameron Brown. I too believe that if MU can get a great shooting game from him, MU wins easily.
Quote from: Newsdreams on February 07, 2025, 07:55:46 AMGet with the program, he is referencing Cameron Brown. I too believe that if MU can get a great shooting game from him, MU wins easily.
My bad.
Quote from: Newsdreams on February 07, 2025, 07:55:46 AMGet with the program, he is referencing Cameron Brown. I too believe that if MU can get a great shooting game from him, MU wins easily.
Usually if he plays for at least a minute, Marquette wins.
Undeniable statistic.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on February 07, 2025, 08:01:19 AMUsually if he plays for at least a minute, Marquette wins.
Undeniable statistic.
Fair point. Why isn't this coaching staff starting the walk ons??
Just looked up Omaha weather.., doesn't see a big snow event. Crap. We are gonna get plowed (pawz) here in the Twin Cities in the hours leading up to game time.
The keys will be having Mitchell contain Ashworth again and Kam and Jop knocking down some outside shots. I'd also like to see see a healthy dose of Zaide and Chase giving Kam a break at the point.
Quote from: mugrad_89 on February 07, 2025, 09:00:46 AMThe keys will be having Mitchell contain Ashworth again and Kam and Jop knocking down some outside shots. I'd also like to see see a healthy dose of Zaide and Chase giving Kam a break at the point.
Zaide and Chase aren't point guards.
Chase initiated the offense multiple times the last couple games, much like Kam did a season ago to give TKo a breather when he wasn't hurt. Plus, since Creighton doesn't pressure, who cares who brings it up?
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 07, 2025, 09:05:44 AMZaide and Chase aren't point guards.
Where did I say I wanted Zaide playing point? And Chase actually did a good job of it against St. John's.
Quote from: tower912 on February 07, 2025, 09:11:55 AMChase initiated the offense multiple times the last couple games, much like Kam did a season ago to give TKo a breather when he wasn't hurt. Plus, since Creighton doesn't pressure, who cares who brings it up?
Anyone can bring the ball up. Marquette doesn't run a traditional offense so it really doesn't matter unless they are facing pressure which Creighton won't do much of. In terms of playing point guard in a consistent distributing manner, Kam is really the only guy we got.
Quote from: mugrad_89 on February 07, 2025, 09:16:35 AMWhere did I say I wanted Zaide playing point? And Chase actually did a good job of it against St. John's.
see a healthy dose of Zaide and Chase giving Kam a break at the point.
Quote from: tower912 on February 07, 2025, 09:11:55 AMChase initiated the offense multiple times the last couple games, much like Kam did a season ago to give TKo a breather when he wasn't hurt. Plus, since Creighton doesn't pressure, who cares who brings it up?
I think we're at the point of the season where anytime Kam can take a breather from running point to get some spot up opportunities from 3, it would help the team.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 07, 2025, 09:18:23 AMsee a healthy dose of Zaide and Chase giving Kam a break at the point.
2 separate points - more Zaide and Chase at the point.
Quote from: mugrad_89 on February 07, 2025, 09:19:42 AM2 separate points - more Zaide and Chase at the point.
More Zaide I can definitely agree with. Even if it comes at the expense of a few Joplin minutes in a smaller lineup. Zaide is long and athletic and a great rebounder so there won't be any drop off on defense because of the slight size difference.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 07, 2025, 09:18:23 AMsee a healthy dose of Zaide and Chase giving Kam a break at the point.
Punctuation is your friend, GE03: "see a healthy dose of Zaide
, and Chase giving Kam a break at the point". I think that's what you meant.
Quote from: BrewCity83 on February 07, 2025, 11:03:26 AMPunctuation is your friend, GE03: "see a healthy dose of Zaide, and Chase giving Kam a break at the point". I think that's what you meant.
That wasn't my quote.
Quote from: mugrad_89 on February 07, 2025, 09:00:46 AMThe keys will be having Mitchell contain Ashworth again and Kam and Jop knocking down some outside shots. I'd also like to see see a healthy dose of Zaide and Chase giving Kam a break at the point.
To win, Man has to get out of his funk. He needs to make 3s. Joplin has to show up. Play D and make 3s. Ben had to play better - be more assertive - make 3s, drive in and rebound.
Quote from: Stretchdeltsig on February 07, 2025, 12:00:48 PMTo win, Man has to get out of his funk.
Agreed, no more small steps.
We need giant leaps.
Quote from: barfolomew on February 07, 2025, 12:04:46 PMAgreed, no more small steps.
We need giant leaps.
Perfect.
It's hard for a fan to have confidence that MU will win tomorrow when it appears that some key players (Jones, Joplin, and Gold) are playing like they are either tight or have lost confidence in themselves, or at least in their shots.
And we need to see Man Jones for 40 minutes.
Quote from: wisblue on February 07, 2025, 12:52:52 PMIt's hard for a fan to have confidence that MU will win tomorrow when it appears that some key players (Jones, Joplin, and Gold) ate playing like they are either tight or have lost confidence in themselves, or at least in their shots.
Yes, they need to stop eating while playing. Should help.
Creighton is minus 1.5
Quote from: MuMark on February 07, 2025, 01:31:51 PMCreighton is minus 1.5
Lot of Scoopers should be putting a lot of money on Creighton. Seems like easy money.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 06, 2025, 12:08:23 PMNeal is the X factor for CU to me. Jop is the X factor for us. They don't have anyone that can guard Joplin. Neal has the ability to match a bit of MU's athleticism.
Kam also should be a major problem for Creighton, but he is for most.
Of Joplin is the X factor, look for problems there.
Quote from: willie warrior on February 07, 2025, 01:38:08 PMOf Joplin is the X factor, look for problems there.
Thanks, Worcester
Quote from: wadesworld on February 07, 2025, 01:36:43 PMLot of Scoopers should be putting a lot of money on Creighton. Seems like easy money.
That only applies to people who are foolish enough to put a lot of money on sporting events.
I wouldn't say "easy money" but anyone who does bet would be doing very well if they had bet very heavily on MU failing to cover the spread in every conference game so far.
Quote from: wisblue on February 07, 2025, 04:04:31 PMThat only applies to people who are foolish enough to put a lot of money on sporting events.
I wouldn't say "easy money" but anyone who does bet would be doing very well if they had bet very heavily on MU failing to cover the spread in every conference game so far.
MU is 5-7 against the spread in conference play. So they'd be doing slightly above average.
Evening gents.
Since we are on the subject, Creighton has covered 10 straight games.
Looking forward to tomorrow.
Quote from: Jaysfan on February 07, 2025, 04:47:43 PMEvening gents.
Since we are on the subject, Creighton has covered 10 straight games.
Looking forward to tomorrow.
10 straight, you say?
Well, looks like you've forced us to pull out a double entendre.
BJ's are going down.
Quote from: mugrad_89 on February 07, 2025, 09:00:46 AMThe keys will be having Mitchell contain Ashworth again and Kam and Jop knocking down some outside shots. I'd also like to see see a healthy dose of Zaide and Chase giving Kam a break at the point.
Kam and Jop wont be knocking down 3s as evidenced by recent performance. And if they do not, expect an ass whupping.
Quote from: Jaysfan on February 07, 2025, 04:47:43 PMEvening gents.
Since we are on the subject, Creighton has covered 10 straight games.
Looking forward to tomorrow.
Well sh!t.
Quote from: BM1090 on February 07, 2025, 04:27:29 PMMU is 5-7 against the spread in conference play. So they'd be doing slightly above average.
I have it at 4-8, with the covers against PC, SH, Nova,and @ Butler.
Quote from: willie warrior on February 07, 2025, 04:57:10 PMKam and Jop wont be knocking down 3s as evidenced by recent performance. And if they do not, expect an ass whupping.
Thanks, Wlmbaf
Quote from: wisblue on February 07, 2025, 05:07:27 PMI have it at 4-8, with the covers against PC, SH, Nova,and @ Butler.
That's fair. Creighton was down to -7.5 and -8 at some points, but it eventually was bet up to -10.5.
So 5-7, 4-7-1, or 4-8 depending when you bet that one and at what book.
A well-balanced team will beat an unbalanced team any day of the week. we are an unbalanced team going on the road against a team that's playing well with a big guy inside and an experienced guard that can distribute the ball. that's a recipe for a loss. Creighton may be the best team in the league. I think we are relegated to number four.
Quote from: AlienWarrior on February 07, 2025, 07:27:22 PMA well-balanced team will beat an unbalanced team any day of the week. we are an unbalanced team going on the road against a team that's playing well with a big guy inside and an experienced guard that can distribute the ball. that's a recipe for a loss. Creighton may be the best team in the league. I think we are relegated to number four.
They just had 2 guys score 55 of their 80 points. Nice balance.
Quote from: AlienWarrior on February 07, 2025, 07:27:22 PMA well-balanced team will beat an unbalanced team any day of the week. we are an unbalanced team going on the road against a team that's playing well with a big guy inside and an experienced guard that can distribute the ball. that's a recipe for a loss. Creighton may be the best team in the league. I think we are relegated to number four.
They are not the best team in the Big East.
Well, we will know a lot more cuz Creighton plays us tomorrow, UConn at home on Tuesday and they have a monster game on the 16th next Sunday against St John's at MSG. Imo, they are playing very well and maybe the best team in the Big East but we will know in 9 days
Still think Creighton has as good a chance as any to win the league even though I don't think they are the best team.
They still have the best combo of record and schedule remaining.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 07, 2025, 08:23:06 PMStill think Creighton has as good a chance as any to win the league even though I don't think they are the best team.
They still have the best combo of record and schedule remaining.
Yeah you keep saying that. It's kind of like saying Wisconsin always gets it done and is easily top 2 in the B1G.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 07, 2025, 08:29:54 PMYeah you keep saying that. It's kind of like saying Wisconsin always gets it done and is easily top 2 in the B1G.
You have been the only one on this whole board talking about them for a few months now lol.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 07, 2025, 08:38:17 PMYou have been the only one on this whole board talking about them for a few months now lol.
You bring them up every time they win. You celebrated them being higher in KenPom than Marquette.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 07, 2025, 08:40:23 PMYou bring them up every time they win. You celebrated them being higher in KenPom than Marquette.
That's just a flat out lie. Bringing them up every time they win? Where?
I listed every opponent of ours that is ahead of us in KP and NET. Is that what you're referencing?
100% chance we win, anyone who says otherwise is COLE
IDK. The way we are playing? Not optimistic. Especially with certain guys(senior Joplin) ok with doing irrational stuff to hurt the team. All while Kam is in his biggest head case slump.
But.....................
It is a road game. And we actually have been pretty solid on the road in league play(also beat Maryland in non con)
Depaul was a mess. Butler and X had shaky times. Prove was a boat racing tho. SJU we did a ton of stupid stuff per usual. But battled on the road vs a good team. That was more just an add on to the bigger issue
This teams problem is they are a complete joke at home in league play. Butler? Horrid half vs a blah team. Win ugly by 10. Georgetown LOL bad half. Great first 10 of 2nd half. Grind out win. Creighton down 8 late in first half. End strong. Boat race early 2nd half. Nearly blow a 16 pt lead. Nova consistenly up 6-12 pts(good, but sad as a peak). Lost to and scored 57. Boatraced by Uconn down a guy.
This team at home I think just forgoes practice. So my bigger worry is when we get back home.
Idk maybe all that shows this team is just incapable of ANY consistency. But my lone lingering optimism is on the road we battle. Thats where adversity is expected.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 07, 2025, 10:32:39 PMIDK. The way we are playing? Not optimistic. Especially with certain guys(senior Joplin) ok with doing irrational stuff to hurt the team. All while Kam is in his biggest head case slump.
But.....................
It is a road game. And we actually have been pretty solid on the road in league play(also beat Maryland in non con)
Depaul was a mess. Butler and X had shaky times. Prove was a boat racing tho. SJU we did a ton of stupid stuff per usual. But battled on the road vs a good team. That was more just an add on to the bigger issue
This teams problem is they are a complete joke at home in league play. Butler? Horrid half vs a blah team. Win ugly by 10. Georgetown LOL bad half. Great first 10 of 2nd half. Grind out win. Creighton down 8 late in first half. End strong. Boat race early 2nd half. Nearly blow a 16 pt lead. Nova consistenly up 6-12 pts(good, but sad as a peak). Lost to and scored 57. Boatraced by Uconn down a guy.
This team at home I think just forgoes practice. So my bigger worry is when we get back home.
Idk maybe all that shows this team is just incapable of ANY consistency. But my lone lingering optimism is on the road we battle. Thats where adversity is expected.
I don't expect a W tomorrow, but I think this is just recency bias. Going 0-3 in this stretch would be much different if our losses were to Nova, Providence, and Georgetown. This was expected to be a rough stretch since St. J's and UConn are our two worst matchups in this league, while playing at Creighton is notoriously difficult.
This team has demonstrated that it has extremely solid potential when playing its best. Sure we're in a slump, but that doesn't change the fact we still have all the pieces needed to make a run in March - when it actually matters. It might help to remember that N.C. State played poorly up until the very end of the season before reaching the Final Four; all you really need is a team to get hot at the right time.
The story of Marquette's 2024-25 season is nowhere near done being written.
Still a month to go in the regular season, then the BET, then the NCAAs.
Maybe I'm a hopeless optimist, but I'm not ready to say this can't be a season the vast majority of Scoopers will consider "successful."
Quote from: K1 Lover on February 07, 2025, 11:17:51 PMI don't expect a W tomorrow, but I think this is just recency bias. Going 0-3 in this stretch would be much different if our losses were to Nova, Providence, and Georgetown. This was expected to be a rough stretch since St. J's and UConn are our two worst matchups in this league, while playing at Creighton is notoriously difficult.
This team has demonstrated that it has extremely solid potential when playing its best. Sure we're in a slump, but that doesn't change the fact we still have all the pieces needed to make a run in March - when it actually matters. It might help to remember that N.C. State played poorly up until the very end of the season before reaching the Final Four; all you really need is a team to get hot at the right time.
Let us know when the team gets hot. Based on how the team has been playing, it is more likely the team caves further.
We have proven we can't hang with UConn and the Johnnies and Creighton could be bad news for MU. Shaka needs to get his ass in gear and motivate these guys.
Quote from: MU82 on February 08, 2025, 12:47:23 AMThe story of Marquette's 2024-25 season is nowhere near done being written.
Still a month to go in the regular season, then the BET, then the NCAAs.
Maybe I'm a hopeless optimist, but I'm not ready to say this can't be a season the vast majority of Scoopers will consider "successful."
Based on comments over the years, a significant (if not vast) majority of Scoopers consider the success of a season almost exclusively on the NCAA results. I have always been in the minority when this subject comes up, including last year when many posters said they would have had NC State's season than MU's because otherwise dreary season concluded with a run to the Final Four.
Today it is hard to ignore the short term disappointment of the last week. At this time last week MU was a favorite (and probably the top favorite) to win the BE regular season title, something that I would consider by definition to be a successful season. I was also excited about attending the MND game which figured to be a good game in an electric atmosphere.
The two clunker performances have put MU in a long shot position for the league title and another loss today would all but end their chances. The prospects for a high NCAA seed have been greatly diminished too. Instead of a solid shot at a 2 seed, a seed in the 4 or 5 range is looking more realistic unless the shooting slump ends.
Today's game is a pretty pivotal one, if only for the psyche of the players and the fans. But I wouldn't go as far as saying, as one poster has, that it's the most important regular season game of Shaka's tenure.
A win today would make things look a lot brighter, but a loss will shift attention to the next 5 games which most everyone penciled in as sure wins a few weeks ago. The way the team has played, any of those games (except Seton Hall) could be dangerous.
Quote from: willie warrior on February 08, 2025, 06:06:39 AMLet us know when the team gets hot. Based on how the team has been playing, it is more likely the team caves further.
We have proven we can't hang with UConn and the Johnnies and Creighton could be bad news for MU. Shaka needs to get his ass in gear and motivate these guys.
Thanks Weuploing
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 08, 2025, 07:39:20 AMThanks Weuploing
The players and Shaka are feeling the pressure 100 fold compared to the fans.
We just got spoiled.
Mid season adversity is a good thing, but overcoming that adversity to win a conference championship is a better thing.
That starts today. GiddyUp
So the facts are:
- Creighton playing good. Winning
- Marquette shaky, inconsistent. Losing
- Creighton at home. Tough place
- Creighton eyeing BE title. MU outside looking in.
- MU beat Creighton but they think they're better regardless.
- Vegas says Creighton
So I'll be hoping for a win but have lost a lot of heart this week.
They've played at a very high level for a month, and like butt for two months. I can't blame anyone who has lower expectations at this point.
Quote from: barfolomew on February 07, 2025, 12:04:46 PMAgreed, no more small steps.
We need giant leaps.
Definitely no midrange steps
Quote from: wisblue on February 08, 2025, 07:22:53 AMBased on comments over the years, a significant (if not vast) majority of Scoopers consider the success of a season almost exclusively on the NCAA results. I have always been in the minority when this subject comes up, including last year when many posters said they would have had NC State's season than MU's because otherwise dreary season concluded with a run to the Final Four.
Today it is hard to ignore the short term disappointment of the last week. At this time last week MU was a favorite (and probably the top favorite) to win the BE regular season title, something that I would consider by definition to be a successful season. I was also excited about attending the MND game which figured to be a good game in an electric atmosphere.
The two clunker performances have put MU in a long shot position for the league title and another loss today would all but end their chances. The prospects for a high NCAA seed have been greatly diminished too. Instead of a solid shot at a 2 seed, a seed in the 4 or 5 range is looking more realistic unless the shooting slump ends.
Today's game is a pretty pivotal one, if only for the psyche of the players and the fans. But I wouldn't go as far as saying, as one poster has, that it's the most important regular season game of Shaka's tenure.
A win today would make things look a lot brighter, but a loss will shift attention to the next 5 games which most everyone penciled in as sure wins a few weeks ago. The way the team has played, any of those games (except Seton Hall) could be dangerous.
Based on almost everything I read, most Scoopers thought each of Shaka's first three seasons was quite successful, even as they were a disappointed each ended before the Final Four (especially the last 2 years). I put myself in that group. I am extremely grateful for what Shaka and the players have done for our program but, like all college basketball fans, I always want to get to enjoy a deep NCAA Tournament run.
I'd call today's game "important," but I don't know why it would be any more important than any of several other important games of the last few years.
Regardless, I have a good feeling about today's game. I like the way we match up with Creighton, and our guys are overdue for a great game.
We Are Marquette!
Tbh my expectations are pretty low for this one. Though I think we turn it around quick after this one (regardless of W/L today) and win at least our next 5. That should get the vibes going well heading into March. Very excited to see the guys compete today, though.
Quote from: CountryRoads on February 08, 2025, 12:17:38 PMTbh my expectations are pretty low for this one. Though I think we turn it around quick after this one (regardless of W/L today) and win at least our next 5. That should get the vibes going well heading into March. Very excited to see the guys compete today, though.
I'm making it simple in my head today. I expect a win because we are better. That's it!
Game pushed back to 1:15 CT according to the official MU account.
Odds are 50/50, either we win or we don't
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Is this normal now a days?
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Is this normal now a days?
It's a new, greater America
Absolutely.
I like Kams afro better. I do not like Jops interior offense at all.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 08, 2025, 01:34:12 PMhttps://x.com/12otrips/status/1888302875945717884?t=irUBLYyzNcrYuCIh4Uz3Sg&s=19
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Is this normal now a days?
Yes encouraged now