Marcus Freeman is said to be part of the Urban Meyer school of thought that you do whatever it takes to win. Which means you put the best players out on the field regardless of class, pecking order, seniority, etc. It also means you recruit the best QB you can get in every recruiting class even if it might create acrimony with last year's blue chip QB. Or if your roster doesn't have a great QB ready to lead next year's team... you bypass them all and go to the portal to get someone who can help you win now.
Players and recruits don't always love him for the above but he views winning games as tantamount and everyone there quickly learns this is his view and how he uses his roster. The same goes for his coaching staff as he pushed out two offensive coordinators in consecutive years that he didn't see eye to eye with.
So when ND had an season ending injury to their starting left tackle early in camp he didn't turn to 6'8, fifth year senior Tosh Baker with a spotty track record but rather anointed a true freshman to LT as he trusted his talent more than his veterans. Also when he wasn't overwhelmed by last year's performance of their two rotating left guards who are both currently seniors, he turned to a sophomore to replace them both.
The result is ND went down to Texas A&M and created running lanes in the 4th quarter for ND to break open a game against a front seven full of future NFL players. Further it essentially cemented ND's spot in the playoffs as not only are they a very talented team this year, but their schedule is easy and they should cruise to a playoff spot in this year's greatly expanded field.
Marquette too has more than enough collective talent to win now also... and we don't need to focus on the transfer portal! Rather Shaka has to be honest with his roster and realize a starting lineup with Kam at the 1, Stevie at the 2, Chase at the 3, Joplin at the 4 and Gold at the 5 is like an island of misfit toys. More specifically, you have no true point guard in that group, you have no scoring/slashing punch from the 2, you have a 2 sized/skillset player playing the 3, you have a slow/turnover prone/streaky shooting, below average rebounder playing the 4 and you have no back to the backet post play whatsoever at the 5. Collectively this lineup pencils out to be very poor at team rebounding as well.
Like Marcus, Shaka has to be willing to mix things up and play younger players over our more experienced players if they are better suited to help us win this year.
I admittingly don't know what that lineup up of players is and how many minutes each of them will get. I just know the conventional spelled out starting lineup will not lead us to another stellar year and could even leave us out out the NCAA tournament altogether.
Hopefully Shaka, and his analytical offensive guru Nevada Smith, realize this too and are already trying to find a winning formula for this year's team. A longer, athletic team that relies on length and team speed to create deflections and turnovers with our best athletes finishing in transition has been Shaka's wining formula thus far. Hopefully he doesn't deviate from it to appease the seniority of his roster.
Thank you for your thoughts. I think you misjudge the relative skill sets of the projected starters.
Shaka has been way more successful than Marcus Freeman doing it his way.
Not to mention that football and basketball are different sports entirely.
1. No Deek sucks
2. So should Shaka deviate or not? You don't think Shaka knows this team better than you or anyone else to do what's best by them? It's 9/2........games are two months away. Perhaps it's a tad early to project that the starting lineup will suck.
Man I'm a TAMU football fan and even I think using ND beating TAMU one time is not close to a proof of concept
Quote from: tower912 on September 02, 2024, 04:46:57 PM
Thank you for your thoughts. I think you misjudge the relative skillets of the projected starters.
He is definitely misjudging their skillets. These guys can cook!
Quote from: duanewade on September 02, 2024, 04:38:24 PM
Marcus Freeman is said to be part of the Urban Meyer school of thought that you do whatever it takes to win. Which means you put the best players out on the field regardless of class, pecking order, seniority, etc. It also means you recruit the best QB you can get in every recruiting class even if it might create acrimony with last year's blue chip QB. Or if your roster doesn't have a great QB ready to lead next year's team... you bypass them all and go to the portal to get someone who can help you win now.
Players and recruits don't always love him for the above but he views winning games as tantamount and everyone there quickly learns this is his view and how he uses his roster. The same goes for his coaching staff as he pushed out two offensive coordinators in consecutive years that he didn't see eye to eye with.
So when ND had an season ending injury to their starting left tackle early in camp he didn't turn to 6'8, fifth year senior Tosh Baker with a spotty track record but rather anointed a true freshman to LT as he trusted his talent more than his veterans. Also when he wasn't overwhelmed by last year's performance of their two rotating left guards who are both currently seniors, he turned to a sophomore to replace them both.
The result is ND went down to Texas A&M and created running lanes in the 4th quarter for ND to break open a game against a front seven full of future NFL players. Further it essentially cemented ND's spot in the playoffs as not only are they a very talented team this year, but their schedule is easy and they should cruise to a playoff spot in this year greatly expanded field.
Marquette too has more than enough collective talent to win now also... and we don't need to focus on the transfer portal! Rather Shaka has to be honest with his roster and realize a starting lineup with Kam at the 1, Stevie at the 2, Chase at the 3, Joplin at the 4 and Gold at the 5 is like an island of misfit toys. More specifically, you have no true point guard in that group, you have no scoring/slashing punch from the 2, you have a 2 sized/skillset player playing the 3, you have a slow/turnover prone/streaky shooting, below average rebounder playing the 4 and you have no back to the backet post play whatsoever at the 5. Collectively this lineup pencils out to be very poor at team rebounding as well.
Like Marcus, Shaka has to be willing to mix things up and play younger players over our more experienced players if they are better suited to help us win this year.
I admittingly don't know what that lineup up of players is and how many minutes each of them will get. I just know the conventional spelled out starting lineup will not lead us to another stellar year and could even leave us out out the NCAA tournament altogether.
Hopefully Shaka, and his analytical offensive guru Nevada Smith, realize this too and are already trying to find a winning formula for this year's team. A longer, athletic team that relies on length and team speed to create deflections and turnovers with our best athletes finishing in transition has been Shaka's wining formula thus far. Hopefully he doesn't deviate from it to appease the seniority of his roster.
I ain't reading all that. Sorry it happened to you or am very happy for you
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 02, 2024, 05:19:22 PM
I ain't reading all that. Sorry it happened to you or am very happy for you
lol thought the same thing. Started and realized he was saying Shaka needs to take notes on how to win from a coach who has been worse at winning and coached a completely different sport where you need way more players on your roster and roster building is entirely different.
I think if you are going to say that a coach is doing things wrong and should change it up, regardless of how wrong you are
At the very least, you have to provide an alternative option.
I laughed out loud when you admitted to not even having a better known option then the projected linuep.
Quote from: The Thing on September 02, 2024, 05:13:31 PM
He is definitely misjudging their skillets. These guys can cook!
I ❤️ typos and/or autocorrect.
Certitude based upon fervently believing in one's own omniscience. Reminds me of a scooper whom I umm...challenge sometimes.
I see some things here.
First, the implications that Shaka doesn't want to win.
Second, the ND football examples cited are all injury related.
Which somehow equates to the projected starting line up, top 25 ranked in most way too early polls, needs to be retooled and unproven players need to be elevated above known quantities.
I am not sure the logic tracks.
If you had said that 65 minutes and two NBA draftpicks just walked out the door and I hope Shaka gives the new guys more run than the last season, I would agree with that.
You forgot that we need a quarterback. Maybe DFW Hoya has some eligibility left and would transfer to Marquette.
MU has 10 players that have potential to play this year, not counting Sean Jones, up to the coaches to figure out who should play together, hope they do!
I would love for the young guys to show out and challenge the veterans. I love 10 man rotations and extended pressure.
A lot of great coaches learn from and model themselves after the all-time greats like Lombardi, Saban, Phil Jackson, Coach K, Marcus Freeman, Joe Torre, Wooden, Belichick, etc. Those guys got paid big money to write their stories for good reasons.
Maybe Shaka could get squeezed in for a visit with Freeman between Andy Reid and Popovich's pilgrimages to South Bend to learn about wining. ::)
Smart advanced to the F4 in his second year as a HC. Freeman went to the Sun Bowl in his second year, with absolute greater talent than Smart had access to at VCU. It's easy to cherry pick off limited data, but it does seem Freeman is on the trajectory to being very successful at ND.
Different sports, different metrics of grading and critiquing ways of building a program. In college football, it has been virtually impossible for G5 programs to even get into the playoff. Now it is a much more accessible.
Quote from: duanewade on September 02, 2024, 04:38:24 PM
Marcus Freeman is said to be part of the Urban Meyer school of thought that you do whatever it takes to win. Which means you put the best players out on the field regardless of class, pecking order, seniority, etc. It also means you recruit the best QB you can get in every recruiting class even if it might create acrimony with last year's blue chip QB. Or if your roster doesn't have a great QB ready to lead next year's team... you bypass them all and go to the portal to get someone who can help you win now.
Players and recruits don't always love him for the above but he views winning games as tantamount and everyone there quickly learns this is his view and how he uses his roster. The same goes for his coaching staff as he pushed out two offensive coordinators in consecutive years that he didn't see eye to eye with.
So when ND had an season ending injury to their starting left tackle early in camp he didn't turn to 6'8, fifth year senior Tosh Baker with a spotty track record but rather anointed a true freshman to LT as he trusted his talent more than his veterans. Also when he wasn't overwhelmed by last year's performance of their two rotating left guards who are both currently seniors, he turned to a sophomore to replace them both.
The result is ND went down to Texas A&M and created running lanes in the 4th quarter for ND to break open a game against a front seven full of future NFL players. Further it essentially cemented ND's spot in the playoffs as not only are they a very talented team this year, but their schedule is easy and they should cruise to a playoff spot in this year greatly expanded field.
Marquette too has more than enough collective talent to win now also... and we don't need to focus on the transfer portal! Rather Shaka has to be honest with his roster and realize a starting lineup with Kam at the 1, Stevie at the 2, Chase at the 3, Joplin at the 4 and Gold at the 5 is like an island of misfit toys. More specifically, you have no true point guard in that group, you have no scoring/slashing punch from the 2, you have a 2 sized/skillset player playing the 3, you have a slow/turnover prone/streaky shooting, below average rebounder playing the 4 and you have no back to the backet post play whatsoever at the 5. Collectively this lineup pencils out to be very poor at team rebounding as well.
Like Marcus, Shaka has to be willing to mix things up and play younger players over our more experienced players if they are better suited to help us win this year.
I admittingly don't know what that lineup up of players is and how many minutes each of them will get. I just know the conventional spelled out starting lineup will not lead us to another stellar year and could even leave us out out the NCAA tournament altogether.
Hopefully Shaka, and his analytical offensive guru Nevada Smith, realize this too and are already trying to find a winning formula for this year's team. A longer, athletic team that relies on length and team speed to create deflections and turnovers with our best athletes finishing in transition has been Shaka's wining formula thus far. Hopefully he doesn't deviate from it to appease the seniority of his roster.
TL;DR
I also disagree with the conclusion that MU hasn't been winning. 56-17 owes no apologies.
Quote from: duanewade on September 02, 2024, 04:38:24 PM
Marcus Freeman is said to be part of the Urban Meyer school of thought that you do whatever it takes to win. Which means you put the best players out on the field regardless of class, pecking order, seniority, etc. It also means you recruit the best QB you can get in every recruiting class even if it might create acrimony with last year's blue chip QB. Or if your roster doesn't have a great QB ready to lead next year's team... you bypass them all and go to the portal to get someone who can help you win now.
Players and recruits don't always love him for the above but he views winning games as tantamount and everyone there quickly learns this is his view and how he uses his roster. The same goes for his coaching staff as he pushed out two offensive coordinators in consecutive years that he didn't see eye to eye with.
So when ND had an season ending injury to their starting left tackle early in camp he didn't turn to 6'8, fifth year senior Tosh Baker with a spotty track record but rather anointed a true freshman to LT as he trusted his talent more than his veterans. Also when he wasn't overwhelmed by last year's performance of their two rotating left guards who are both currently seniors, he turned to a sophomore to replace them both.
The result is ND went down to Texas A&M and created running lanes in the 4th quarter for ND to break open a game against a front seven full of future NFL players. Further it essentially cemented ND's spot in the playoffs as not only are they a very talented team this year, but their schedule is easy and they should cruise to a playoff spot in this year greatly expanded field.
Marquette too has more than enough collective talent to win now also... and we don't need to focus on the transfer portal! Rather Shaka has to be honest with his roster and realize a starting lineup with Kam at the 1, Stevie at the 2, Chase at the 3, Joplin at the 4 and Gold at the 5 is like an island of misfit toys. More specifically, you have no true point guard in that group, you have no scoring/slashing punch from the 2, you have a 2 sized/skillset player playing the 3, you have a slow/turnover prone/streaky shooting, below average rebounder playing the 4 and you have no back to the backet post play whatsoever at the 5. Collectively this lineup pencils out to be very poor at team rebounding as well.
Like Marcus, Shaka has to be willing to mix things up and play younger players over our more experienced players if they are better suited to help us win this year.
I admittingly don't know what that lineup up of players is and how many minutes each of them will get. I just know the conventional spelled out starting lineup will not lead us to another stellar year and could even leave us out out the NCAA tournament altogether.
Hopefully Shaka, and his analytical offensive guru Nevada Smith, realize this too and are already trying to find a winning formula for this year's team. A longer, athletic team that relies on length and team speed to create deflections and turnovers with our best athletes finishing in transition has been Shaka's wining formula thus far. Hopefully he doesn't deviate from it to appease the seniority of his roster.
appreciate that you put it out there. Willing to take a shot. Most of the usual snipers on Scoop...one so disrespectful as to admit not reading your post yet willing to comment as much...offer the minimum, as is the case with posters here.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on September 02, 2024, 04:58:17 PM
Man I'm a TAMU football fan and even I think using ND beating TAMU one time is not close to a proof of concept
This. 100%
Comparing what No Dick does in roster building to what Shaka should do is wrong.
The No Dick program, administration, booster support, and fan base is riddled with arrogance and should be cursed, not copied, admired, or promoted.
Quote from: duanewade on September 02, 2024, 04:38:24 PM
I admittingly don't know
Welp, at least you got one thing right, even if you had to make up a word to get there.
I wonder why the OP didn't suggest that Shaka needed to learn from Mike Norvell, who has been more successful than Freeman, but who has already been stung by poorly relying on the transfer portal this year.
If what you are saying is that Shaka should play the guys that give the team the best chance to win -- even if that is not the upperclassmen -- I'm not sure too many people would disagree with you. And I'm not sure Shaka would need to model Freeman* to figure that out. But the fact that it took you so, so many words makes me think that might not be your only point.
*I'm a ND football fan and I really like Freeman. I don't mean it as a slight to Freeman to say that Shaka probably has as good of a handle on the winning thing as Freeman.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on September 03, 2024, 11:27:04 AM
If what you are saying is that Shaka should play the guys that give the team the best chance to win -- even if that is not the upperclassmen -- I'm not sure too many people would disagree with you. And I'm not sure Shaka would need to model Freeman* to figure that out. But the fact that it took you so, so many words makes me think that might not be your only point.
*I'm a ND football fan and I really like Freeman. I don't mean it as a slight to Freeman to say that Shaka probably has as good of a handle on the winning thing as Freeman.
This poster has been very critical of Shaka not using the transfer portal in the past. Their point seems to be that Shaka Fd up again...unless the newcomers are so good that we don't have the expected starting lineup of Kam, Stevie, Chase, Jop, and Ben
Quote from: tower912 on September 02, 2024, 06:44:48 PM
I would love for the young guys to show out and challenge the veterans. I love 10 man rotations and extended pressure.
But the moral of the story, can any of them block in the 4th quarter?
Pretty sure duanewade is an alt where rocky and topper challenge each other to write the most ridiculous screeds and then laugh as the clicks roll in.
The essence of the argument is this:
1) Shaka's system works.
2) We may have peaked given the changes in college basketball. Then again, maybe we haven't.
3) So the real question is this: Suppose Shaka knew the incoming class with, potentially, Cam Ward is something really special. Suppose further than a portal player would be the guy to put us over the top and make us an odds-on favorite for a national title -- to make us the best we've been since Butch and Bo or since Chones, McNeill, McGuire et al? Would Shaka risk the consequences. I think so!!!
You dreaming!
Quote from: dgies9156 on September 05, 2024, 02:41:31 PM
The essence of the argument is this:
1) Shaka's system works.
2) We may have peaked given the changes in college basketball. Then again, maybe we haven't.
3) So the real question is this: Suppose Shaka knew the incoming class with, potentially, Cam Ward is something really special. Suppose further than a portal player would be the guy to put us over the top and make us an odds-on favorite for a national title -- to make us the best we've been since Butch and Bo or since Chones, McNeill, McGuire et al? Would Shaka risk the consequences. I think so!!!
Here's hoping we get to find out.
Northern Illinois is just a marquee program
For the love of all that is good, let us hope Shaka does not take cues from Coach Freeman.
Just turned it on in the last minute. Those linemen did not look like they could pass block NIU.
Come on now. Freeman just plays the best player and recruits the best player and wins. Wish Shaka would care about winning.
LOL.
This thread did not age well.
It aged gloriously.
LOL
The Notre Dame loss hurts Marquette's chances
Quote from: WhiteTrash on September 07, 2024, 06:15:53 PM
This thread did not age well.
Disagree. It couldn't have aged better
Roughest day for TD Jesus since the crucifixion
In fairness to Freeman, Shaka did lose to St. Thomas last year.
Quote from: Boone on September 07, 2024, 11:15:07 PM
Roughest day for TD Jesus since the crucifixion
perfect!
Great line, Boone.
Quote from: Boone on September 07, 2024, 11:15:07 PM
Roughest day for TD Jesus since the crucifixion
Expensive loss to boot. Paid over a mil for that humilation.
Borrowing from today's gospel reading....
Jesus groaned.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 07, 2024, 06:47:09 PM
The Notre Dame loss hurts Marquette's chances
We just dropped two seed lines
Maybe Coach Freeman should learn from Coach Smart.
Quote from: tower912 on September 08, 2024, 01:51:31 PM
Maybe Coach Freeman should learn from Coach Smart.
That would be smart.
https://youtu.be/f8NXliW8cHU?si=FQA9b0jk0Xq1V2nw
Guess this take and whole thread has been thrown into the "Freezing Cold Takes" section of Scoop OR is that pretty much Scoop ::)
OP like:
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Notre Dame in line to host a first round playoff game.
I can only imagine how good MU would be if Shaka had gone with youth over experience.
Quote from: tower912 on November 20, 2024, 02:11:12 PMNotre Dame in line to host a first round playoff game.
I can only imagine how good MU would be if Shaka had gone with youth over experience.
Quote from: duanewade on October 12, 2024, 01:03:05 PMIt's ok to admit I make good points
In my opinion a loss to NIU should eliminate ND from any playoff consideration. They do not deserve to be ranked above a number of other teams in the top 25. They are where they are due to past reputation.
Quote from: The Thing on November 20, 2024, 05:48:00 PMIn my opinion a loss to NIU should eliminate ND from any playoff consideration. They do not deserve to be ranked above a number of other teams in the top 25. They are where they are due to past reputation.
I hate ND but they have better wins than a number of teams in the Playoff bracket. Who has Penn State beat? Indiana? Miami? Texas? BYU?
Fun thread reborn
We effin talking about football?
Quote from: The Thing on November 20, 2024, 05:48:00 PMIn my opinion a loss to NIU should eliminate ND from any playoff consideration. They do not deserve to be ranked above a number of other teams in the top 25. They are where they are due to past reputation.
The lesson: if you're going to lose in college football, lose early. This is not new.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on November 21, 2024, 08:39:36 AMThe lesson: if you're going to lose in college football, lose early. This is not new.
Not just that, but I have no idea who you put in there besides ND. There are problems no matter what team you choose.
It think it pretty simply comes down to Saturday. Beating Army is a good win and they'll be in for sure assuming things don't get strange versus USC. If they lose, they may be jumped by someone else.
Quote from: We R Final Four on September 02, 2024, 04:49:09 PM1. No Deek sucks
2. So should Shaka deviate or not? You don't think Shaka knows this team better than you or anyone else to do what's best by them? It's 9/2........games are two months away. Perhaps it's a tad early to project that the starting lineup will suck.
Yeah, No Dick sucks. Always has and always will. Would not use any thing from No Dick as a learning tool, other than their jersies when wiping in the bathroom.
Quote from: willie warrior on November 21, 2024, 12:22:57 PMYeah, No Dick sucks. Always has and always will. Would not use any thing from No Dick as a learning tool, other than their jersies when wiping in the bathroom.
You can't flush jerseys down the toilet. It will certainly clog the pipes and create a mess. That means you must put them in the trash. Imagine that must smell pretty bad after awhile.
Anyway, the women's basketball team has 2 national titles this century and have made 9 final 4's. They've also won the last 2 men's lacrosse championships. We could probably learn a lot from them about winning national titles
Quote from: The Thing on November 20, 2024, 05:48:00 PMIn my opinion a loss to NIU should eliminate ND from any playoff consideration. They do not deserve to be ranked above a number of other teams in the top 25. They are where they are due to past reputation.
This is absolutely spot on. Losing to NIU on their home field and paying them a million to be there is an automatic disqualifier from the playoffs. But No Dick has input on who gets into the Playoffs. And they will get their ass trounced as usual. They had a terrible schedule and do not play in a conference
Quote from: willie warrior on November 21, 2024, 06:55:29 PMThis is absolutely spot on. Losing to NIU on their home field and paying them a million to be there is an automatic disqualifier from the playoffs. But No Dick has input on who gets into the Playoffs. And they will get their ass trounced as usual. They had a terrible schedule and do not play in a conference
No, they don't have input.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 21, 2024, 07:01:52 PMNo, they don't have input.
I'm wondering if Herm and Willard are defective Beta AI
As usual, I'm always eventually proven right.🤷�♂️
Marcus Freeman is aggressive, fearless and relentless. He started two true freshman this year and played many others in key roles as well. He does what it takes to win, and in turn led his team to the second round of the college football playoff in spite of a disastrous early season loss to NIU.
So will Shaka help MU to fully recover from the pathetic and embarrassing Dayton debacle? Or will that loss become a harbinger of big games to come? Will Shaka make any necessary personnel and strategic adjustments as we work our way toward March? Or will he stick with a team that lives and dies by the 3, lacks rebounding and commits a lot of unforced turnovers? Expounding platitudes like relationships, relationships, relationships wears thin quickly if the losses start to build up.
It's up to him. Both ND Football and Marquette Basketball could both be playing in the Final 4 and beyond this year if both coaches dial up the right key decisions along the way.
I hope they both do! I'll be cheering for them both! 👏🕺
Quote from: duanewade on December 20, 2024, 11:50:41 PMAs usual, I'm always eventually proven right.🤷�♂️
Marcus Freeman is aggressive, fearless and relentless. He started two true freshman this year and played many others in key roles as well. He does what it takes to win, and in turn led his team to the second round of the college football playoff in spite of a disastrous early season loss to NIU.
So will Shaka help MU to fully recover from the pathetic and embarrassing Dayton debacle? Or will that loss become a harbinger of big games to come? Will Shaka make any necessary personnel and strategic adjustments as we work our way toward March? Or will he stick with a team that lives and dies by the 3, lacks rebounding and commits a lot of unforced turnovers? Expounding platitudes like relationships, relationships, relationships wears thin quickly if the losses start to build up.
It's up to him. Both ND Football and Marquette Basketball could both be playing in the Final 4 and beyond this year if both coaches dial up the right key decisions along the way.
I hope they both do! I'll be cheering for them both! 👏🕺
Dayton sucks
MU committed two turnovers against Butler and destroyed them on the boards. Which bench player has outplayed a starter through 12 games?
Quote from: tower912 on December 21, 2024, 06:32:44 AMMU committed two turnovers against Butler and destroyed them on the boards. Which bench player has outplayed a starter through 12 games?
You read his post?
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 21, 2024, 06:34:51 AMYou read his post?
Like getting one of those spam emails with the joke of the day. His hot takes make me smile and I appreciate them.
Seriously, through 12 games, MU has more steals than turnovers. 9 turnovers per game, 10 steals per game. To have anyone say that MU is turnover prone or that a bench player deserves to start means they have not actually watched the games.
I sincerely hope that the bench starts playing so well that a lineup change needs to be considered. What a delightful problem that would be.
Good timing by Duane.
Right before Xavier at their place.
Quote from: tower912 on December 21, 2024, 06:43:01 AMLike getting one of those spam emails with the joke of the day. His hot takes make me smile and I appreciate them.
Seriously, through 12 games, MU has more steals than turnovers. 9 turnovers per game, 10 steals per game. To have anyone say that MU is turnover prone or that a bench player deserves to start means they have not actually watched the games.
I sincerely hope that the bench starts playing so well that a lineup change needs to be considered. What a delightful problem that would be.
10 turnovers, 10 steals today.
No portal players taken or lost last year. Top ten last two years. Placed three guys in the NBA in two years. Tournament with high hopes every year. Conference championship and conference tournament championship. Fans that are so spoiled by success that we think there should be even more. Freeman and many others should be learning from Shaka, not the other way around. Love this coach and hope he keeps whatever formula he's using to get where this program is now. Maybe, just maybe relationships are exactly how they've gotten to where they are.
Before Muggsy passed out face down at Silk downtown he said he hated Duane
Quote from: Shaka Shart on December 21, 2024, 11:00:41 PMBefore Muggsy passed out face down at Silk downtown he said he hated Duane
Please take care of him.
Marcus Freeman does it again! Football Final 4 and maybe more! He is very aggressive and bold, which inspires his own team and keeps the other team on constant edge because you don't know what he's willing to try or do next. The fake (or was it fake?) 4&1 that got Georgia to jump offsides was brilliant and pretty much iced the game for ND. His team has been decimated by season ending injuries all year but everyone has stepped up including two starting true freshman. Physical, attacking, fearless football is fun to watch! They will be a load to deal with the next ten years under his tutelage and their new competent AD.
Will Shaka do the same and give us his best coaching job to date with a trip to the Basketball Final 4 and maybe even a win on Monday night in San Antonio? Hopefully, we don't have another game in Southern Ohio where 2nd half leads tend to disappear against inferior opponents. 🤷�♂️
Sadly I have my doubts as I'll never totally trust Joplin, and still can't believe Gold only plays outside the 3 point stripe. Once again if you live too much by the 3, you will die by the 3. Iowa State completely stopped our penetration and in turn we struggled the whole game to score. In the later rounds of March, we'll face other real good teams like Iowa State who could stand in our way of advancing unless we become more balanced and consistent.
Keep getting Caedin some playing time and confidence. I liked what I saw from him against Providence as he used his big body to find position for a layup off a roll and made some good passes as well. I also liked seeing Royce use his bigger body for some inside positioning and points in that game as well. Once again we have a better chance of not getting hammered on the boards if our big bodies show they can give us quality minutes.
Also, continue to get good experience/production from Zaide, Damarius, Royce, and Tre/Sean. As we've seen from previous March's we need to expect the unexpected (i.e.: Kolek hurting his hand against Vermont). Something bad will happen (i.e.: injury, foul trouble, bad officiating, bad draw, etc.) however if we're experienced, deep enough, and diverse enough in our scoring capabilities we can find a way to win and advance regardless.
Creighton tomorrow night will be a HUGE test as they are talented and desperate for a Quad 1 win to get back into the NCAA tournament discussion. We need to match their intensity tomorrow night and expect their best game of the season. Bring the same mindset and intensity we had against Providence and we'll cruise to a 5 to 10 point win as Creighton's best isn't as good as our best!
Quote from: duanewade on January 02, 2025, 09:06:18 PMMarcus Freeman does it again! Football Final 4 and maybe more! He is very aggressive and bold, which inspires his own team and keeps the other team on constant edge because you don't know what he's willing to try or do next. The fake (or was it fake?) 4&1 that got Georgia to jump offsides was brilliant and pretty much iced the game for ND. His team has been decimated by season ending injuries all year but everyone has stepped up including two starting true freshman. Physical, attacking, fearless football is fun to watch! They will be a load to deal with the next ten years under his tutelage and their new competent AD.
Will Shaka do the same and give us his best coaching job to date with a trip to the Basketball Final 4 and maybe even a win on Monday night in San Antonio? Hopefully, we don't have another game in Southern Ohio where 2nd half leads tend to disappear against inferior opponents. 🤷�♂️
Sadly I have my doubts as I'll never totally trust Joplin, and still can't believe Gold only plays outside the 3 point stripe. Once again if you live too much by the 3, you will die by the 3. Iowa State completely stopped our penetration and in turn we struggled the whole game to score. In the later rounds of March, we'll face other real good teams like Iowa State who could stand in our way of advancing unless we become more balanced and consistent.
Keep getting Caedin some playing time and confidence. I liked what I saw from him against Providence as he used his big body to find position for a layup off a roll and made some good passes as well. I also liked seeing Royce use his bigger body for some inside positioning and points in that game as well. Once again we have a better chance of not getting hammered on the boards if our big bodies show they can give us quality minutes.
Also, continue to get good experience/production from Zaide, Damarius, Royce, and Tre/Sean. As we've seen from previous March's we need to expect the unexpected (i.e.: Kolek hurting his hand against Vermont). Something bad will happen (i.e.: injury, foul trouble, bad officiating, bad draw, etc.) however if we're experienced, deep enough, and diverse enough in our scoring capabilities we can find a way to win and advance regardless.
Creighton tomorrow night will be a HUGE test as they are talented and desperate for a Quad 1 win to get back into the NCAA tournament discussion. We need to match their intensity tomorrow night and expect their best game of the season. Bring the same mindset and intensity we had against Providence and we'll cruise to a 5 to 10 point win as Creighton's best isn't as good as our best!
Freeman gets it done
Quote from: duanewade on January 02, 2025, 09:06:18 PMMarcus Freeman does it again! Football Final 4 and maybe more! He is very aggressive and bold, which inspires his own team and keeps the other team on constant edge because you don't know what he's willing to try or do next. The fake (or was it fake?) 4&1 that got Georgia to jump offsides was brilliant and pretty much iced the game for ND. His team has been decimated by season ending injuries all year but everyone has stepped up including two starting true freshman. Physical, attacking, fearless football is fun to watch! They will be a load to deal with the next ten years under his tutelage and their new competent AD.
Will Shaka do the same and give us his best coaching job to date with a trip to the Basketball Final 4 and maybe even a win on Monday night in San Antonio? Hopefully, we don't have another game in Southern Ohio where 2nd half leads tend to disappear against inferior opponents. 🤷�♂️
Sadly I have my doubts as I'll never totally trust Joplin, and still can't believe Gold only plays outside the 3 point stripe. Once again if you live too much by the 3, you will die by the 3. Iowa State completely stopped our penetration and in turn we struggled the whole game to score. In the later rounds of March, we'll face other real good teams like Iowa State who could stand in our way of advancing unless we become more balanced and consistent.
Keep getting Caedin some playing time and confidence. I liked what I saw from him against Providence as he used his big body to find position for a layup off a roll and made some good passes as well. I also liked seeing Royce use his bigger body for some inside positioning and points in that game as well. Once again we have a better chance of not getting hammered on the boards if our big bodies show they can give us quality minutes.
Also, continue to get good experience/production from Zaide, Damarius, Royce, and Tre/Sean. As we've seen from previous March's we need to expect the unexpected (i.e.: Kolek hurting his hand against Vermont). Something bad will happen (i.e.: injury, foul trouble, bad officiating, bad draw, etc.) however if we're experienced, deep enough, and diverse enough in our scoring capabilities we can find a way to win and advance regardless.
Creighton tomorrow night will be a HUGE test as they are talented and desperate for a Quad 1 win to get back into the NCAA tournament discussion. We need to match their intensity tomorrow night and expect their best game of the season. Bring the same mindset and intensity we had against Providence and we'll cruise to a 5 to 10 point win as Creighton's best isn't as good as our best!
Can I get a TLDR on this please?
Quote from: wadesworld on January 02, 2025, 09:54:47 PMCan I get a TLDR on this please?
Basically, when Shaka loses at Dayton its a huge deal. When Freeman loses to NIU its a testament to his superior coaching style.
Quote from: Newsdreams on January 02, 2025, 09:49:49 PMFreeman gets it done
I am rooting for ND but let's not forget that he was playing a Georgia team with a little used QB, a left tackle who couldn't block the nuns of ND and receivers with stumps for hands.
He coached a good game but he has and had a favorable route to the finals as his games so far are Indiana and a broken Georgia team.
Unfortunately, ND gets blown out in the finals against OSU.
Duane, do you think MU would be a better team right now if Shaka had started freshmen over upperclassmen, as was the point of your original post?
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 02, 2025, 11:41:30 PMBasically, when Shaka loses at Dayton its a huge deal. When Freeman loses to NIU its a testament to his superior coaching style.
https://x.com/SSN_NIU/status/1874980193242407178?t=rkEW9Aq5SUzs1XQbHAWsbw&s=19
Quote from: duanewade on January 02, 2025, 09:06:18 PMMarcus Freeman does it again! Football Final 4 and maybe more! He is very aggressive and bold, which inspires his own team and keeps the other team on constant edge because you don't know what he's willing to try or do next. The fake (or was it fake?) 4&1 that got Georgia to jump offsides was brilliant and pretty much iced the game for ND. His team has been decimated by season ending injuries all year but everyone has stepped up including two starting true freshman. Physical, attacking, fearless football is fun to watch! They will be a load to deal with the next ten years under his tutelage and their new competent AD.
Will Shaka do the same and give us his best coaching job to date with a trip to the Basketball Final 4 and maybe even a win on Monday night in San Antonio? Hopefully, we don't have another game in Southern Ohio where 2nd half leads tend to disappear against inferior opponents. 🤷�♂️
Sadly I have my doubts as I'll never totally trust Joplin, and still can't believe Gold only plays outside the 3 point stripe. Once again if you live too much by the 3, you will die by the 3. Iowa State completely stopped our penetration and in turn we struggled the whole game to score. In the later rounds of March, we'll face other real good teams like Iowa State who could stand in our way of advancing unless we become more balanced and consistent.
Keep getting Caedin some playing time and confidence. I liked what I saw from him against Providence as he used his big body to find position for a layup off a roll and made some good passes as well. I also liked seeing Royce use his bigger body for some inside positioning and points in that game as well. Once again we have a better chance of not getting hammered on the boards if our big bodies show they can give us quality minutes.
Also, continue to get good experience/production from Zaide, Damarius, Royce, and Tre/Sean. As we've seen from previous March's we need to expect the unexpected (i.e.: Kolek hurting his hand against Vermont). Something bad will happen (i.e.: injury, foul trouble, bad officiating, bad draw, etc.) however if we're experienced, deep enough, and diverse enough in our scoring capabilities we can find a way to win and advance regardless.
Creighton tomorrow night will be a HUGE test as they are talented and desperate for a Quad 1 win to get back into the NCAA tournament discussion. We need to match their intensity tomorrow night and expect their best game of the season. Bring the same mindset and intensity we had against Providence and we'll cruise to a 5 to 10 point win as Creighton's best isn't as good as our best!
I'm not reading that but I'm sorry or happy for you. Say hi to your lawyer
Quote from: BallBoy on January 03, 2025, 05:00:09 AMI am rooting for ND but let's not forget that he was playing a Georgia team with a little used QB, a left tackle who couldn't block the nuns of ND and receivers with stumps for hands.
He coached a good game but he has and had a favorable route to the finals as his games so far are Indiana and a broken Georgia team.
Unfortunately, ND gets blown out in the finals against OSU.
And ND has lost five starters to season ending injuries this year (Mills, Jagesah, Morrison, Traore/Botehlo, Craig). They also have an undersized true freshman playing left tackle all year.
I doubt you're cheering for ND with the one sided spin you just put on display. They hardly had an easy path in playoffs, with no bye while teams like Penn State got paired against SMU and Boise State. A career in Washington DC awaits you. 👏
What an odd thread. Cross sport analogies rarely work. This is not the exception.
Quote from: Its DJOver on January 03, 2025, 08:42:41 AMWhat an odd thread. Cross sport analogies rarely work. This is not the exception.
I put him on ignore. I think anyone who writes posts as long and pointless as his does not deserve scoopers' time, and I KNOW it's a waste of mine. It's probably a very good guess that his most recent post is like his previous ones.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on January 03, 2025, 12:06:52 PMI put him on ignore. I think anyone who writes posts as long and pointless as his does not deserve scoopers' time. It's probably a very good guess that his most recent post is like his previous ones.
Eh, he's got the "takes so bad they're comical" thing nailed. The immediate aftermath of this thread was too funny not to be scripted.
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=64289.msg1520858#msg1520858
This one was started at half time of a game we ended up winning, again, absolutely hilarious.
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=63605.msg1471028#msg1471028
This one's to long to read in it's entirety, but the first three paragraphs that dump on Shaka's culture, Kam, and TKO are worth your while.
That is where I am. He is always good for a laugh. Up there with UDPride for epic bad takes and self owns. Step on another rake.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on January 03, 2025, 12:06:52 PMI put him on ignore. I think anyone who writes posts as long and pointless as his does not deserve scoopers' time, and I KNOW it's a waste of mine. It's probably a very good guess that his most recent post is like his previous ones.
I agree. I prefer to waste my time on scoop in short bursts.
Having said that, I miss Pakuni
Quote from: Hards Alumni on January 03, 2025, 12:31:40 PMI agree. I prefer to waste my time on scoop in short bursts.
Having said that, I miss Pakuni
What happened to Pak?
No idea, just disappeared one day. Hope he is good, he was an OG.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on January 03, 2025, 12:38:30 PMNo idea, just disappeared one day. Hope he is good, he was an OG.
Woke mob got him
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 03, 2025, 12:40:03 PMWoke mob got him
Much like Grendel comes for us every night, the woke mob eventually gets us all.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 03, 2025, 12:40:03 PMWoke mob got him
His last several posts were overtly political. My money is on he got banned and decided to not come back.
Quote from: Its DJOver on January 03, 2025, 12:18:53 PMEh, he's got the "takes so bad they're comical" thing nailed. The immediate aftermath of this thread was too funny not to be scripted.
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=64289.msg1520858#msg1520858
This one was started at half time of a game we ended up winning, again, absolutely hilarious.
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=63605.msg1471028#msg1471028
This one's to long to read in it's entirety, but the first three paragraphs that dump on Shaka's culture, Kam, and TKO are worth your while.
OK. You're right. ;D My
Gawd, those posts are hilarious. But I'm gonna keep him on ignore and rely upon you and others to pick out his most laughable takes. Thanks!
Quote from: Newsdreams on January 02, 2025, 09:49:49 PMFreeman gets it done
Yeah, he sure schooled NIU. And they had a flimsy schedule this year. But the arrogant No Dickers believe that program is the greatest.
The whole Freeman love means Shaka is blind thing just doesn't fly. Hey, you like Freeman so good for you...enjoy the football. But Shaka is doin this sport right.
By the way, this isn't aging well ..
QuoteI just know the conventional spelled out starting lineup will not lead us to another stellar year and could even leave us out out the NCAA tournament altogether.
But if you point that out, he will storm off and blame you. So, be right at your own risk.
I haven't posted on scoop in years (I broke the Vander news, FYI), and I just stumbled upon this thread
What is Duane talking about :o
Quote from: TheREALwrk on January 03, 2025, 10:46:53 PMI haven't posted on scoop in years (I broke the Vander news, FYI), and I just stumbled upon this thread
What is Duane talking about :o
What are your thoughts on Shaka's inability to recruit an aircraft carrier?
Quote from: TheREALwrk on January 03, 2025, 10:46:53 PMI haven't posted on scoop in years (I broke the Vander news, FYI), and I just stumbled upon this thread
What is Duane talking about :o
Poop
Quote from: TheREALwrk on January 03, 2025, 10:46:53 PMI haven't posted on scoop in years (I broke the Vander news, FYI), and I just stumbled upon this thread
What is Duane talking about :o
What Vander news? The George Webbs Vander Orange diss?
By the way, Vander was one of my favorites of the last 25 years at MU, loved his grit and defensive intensity, the way he always had a knack to win Marquette an extra possession.
Much like out stud of the game from tonight, but better offensively.
Felt so vindicated for Van when he made those driving layups against StJ to win a BE title and again against Davidson in the dance... I always thought he got a bad wrap amongst MU fans
Quote from: TheREALwrk on January 03, 2025, 10:46:53 PMI haven't posted on scoop in years (I broke the Vander news, FYI), and I just stumbled upon this thread
What is Duane talking about :o
The need for Shaka to be more like coach Freeman and start freshmen over experienced guys, as there is no way a starting lineup of Kam, Stevie, Chase, Joplin, and Gold will work due to chemistry issues.
Quote from: DoctorV on January 03, 2025, 11:02:08 PMWhat Vander news? The George Webbs Vander Orange diss?
By the way, Vander was one of my favorites of the last 25 years at MU, loved his grit and defensive intensity, the way he always had a knack to win Marquette an extra possession.
Much like out stud of the game from tonight, but better offensively.
Felt so vindicated for Van when he made those driving layups against StJ to win a BE title and again against Davidson in the dance... I always thought he got a bad wrap amongst MU fans
Vander declaring for the draft. Yes, I'm semi famous around here.
Quote from: tower912 on January 04, 2025, 07:18:39 AMThe need for Shaka to be more like coach Freeman and start freshmen over experienced guys, as there is no way a starting lineup of Kam, Stevie, Chase, Joplin, and Gold will work due to chemistry issues.
Hilarious. Maybe he should change his name to Walgreens.
His secondary point was accurate, though he never actually made it. Developing the bench is crucial and is behind only staying healthy and making 3s in importance.
Quote from: TheREALwrk on January 04, 2025, 07:53:23 AMVander declaring for the draft. Yes, I'm semi famous around here.
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Countdown to Duane's return....?
It will have been a dopey take even if Freeman wins the next 5 NCAA titles.
So, when is Shaka converting to Catholicism?
Quote from: tower912 on January 10, 2025, 10:09:26 AMCountdown to Duane's return....?
Hopefully soon. Duane is one of Scoop's finest. Far more entertaining than Rico. His early contributions to Scoop that called out the folly of Wojo's ways were epic. His ability to troll the handful of Scoopers who think their lame sarcasm is funny, was spectacular and highly entertaining.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on January 12, 2025, 09:15:20 AMHopefully soon. Duane is one of Scoop's finest. Far more entertaining than Rico. His early contributions to Scoop that called out the folly of Wojo's ways were epic. His ability to troll the handful of Scoopers who think their lame sarcasm is funny, was spectacular and highly entertaining.
Are you ever going to live in the present?
Quote from: Elonsmusk on January 12, 2025, 09:15:20 AMHopefully soon. Duane is one of Scoop's finest. Far more entertaining than Rico. His early contributions to Scoop that called out the folly of Wojo's ways were epic. His ability to troll the handful of Scoopers who think their lame sarcasm is funny, was spectacular and highly entertaining.
This is extremely funny
I enjoyed Duane and hope he returns. His huge, epic takes full of bluster and inevitably insanely wrong were a song to my heart and a joy to my soul.
Good craic.
Quote from: tower912 on January 12, 2025, 10:13:04 AMI enjoyed Duane and hope he returns. His huge, epic takes full of bluster and inevitably insanely wrong were a song to my heart and a joy to my soul.
Good craic.
Remind me quite a bit of one particular scooper who is without equal in the italicized.
Quote from: The Sultan on January 12, 2025, 09:25:08 AMAre you ever going to live in the present?
Perfect. Always entertaining to see who "likes" posts that try to diss me. Like clockwork, it's Jake, Rico, Wades, Newsdreams - 3 of the 4 are among Scoop's least valuable posters. And you Sultan, you aren't in that group, you are as mid as it gets. Not bad. Not great. Solidly mediocre. Present day take.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on January 12, 2025, 10:37:50 AMPerfect. Always entertaining to see who "likes" posts that try to diss me. Like clockwork, it's Jake, Rico, Wades, Newsdreams - 3 of the 4 are among Scoop's least valuable posters. And you Sultan, you aren't in that group, you are as mid as it gets. Not bad. Not great. Solidly mediocre. Present day take.
I'm honored.
Quote from: The Sultan on January 12, 2025, 09:25:08 AMAre you ever going to live in the present?
Would you live in the present if you used to dunk on people?
I always assumed Duane was a Badger troll.
Quote from: cheebs09 on January 12, 2025, 10:46:05 AMI always assumed Duane was a Badger troll.
It's possible, but his early post history shows he was a big fan of the Buzz era, so I tend to think he is an MU fan. His posts were always a fun read.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on January 12, 2025, 10:37:50 AMPerfect. Always entertaining to see who "likes" posts that try to diss me. Like clockwork, it's Jake, Rico, Wades, Newsdreams - 3 of the 4 are among Scoop's least valuable posters. And you Sultan, you aren't in that group, you are as mid as it gets. Not bad. Not great. Solidly mediocre. Present day take.
Magic Dawson guy says what?
Quote from: wadesworld on January 12, 2025, 10:45:12 AMI'm honored.
. Good guess Wades. Your guess is correct. All in all you usually have good takes on your basketball related observations. Rico, when actually not doing his schtick, also has good basketball related observations - where he wades off into least valuable poster status is that roughly 9 out of 10 of his posts are sarcasm that is rarely funny.
Quote from: The Sultan on January 12, 2025, 10:57:16 AMMagic Dawson guy says what?
See how challening it is for you to keep it in the present? But, Magic Dawson was a much better player than Derrick Wilson. But agree to disagree if you believe Derrick was the goods, like Wojo did.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on January 12, 2025, 09:15:20 AMHopefully soon. Duane is one of Scoop's finest. Far more entertaining than Rico. His early contributions to Scoop that called out the folly of Wojo's ways were epic. His ability to troll the handful of Scoopers who think their lame sarcasm is funny, was spectacular and highly entertaining.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on January 12, 2025, 10:37:50 AMPerfect. Always entertaining to see who "likes" posts that try to diss me. Like clockwork, it's Jake, Rico, Wades, Newsdreams - 3 of the 4 are among Scoop's least valuable posters. And you Sultan, you aren't in that group, you are as mid as it gets. Not bad. Not great. Solidly mediocre. Present day take.
Extremely honored, yeah as present day as 1950's for you.
Do any of you guys actually know each other?
Or is it just good natured interweb banter
Quote from: DoctorV on January 12, 2025, 01:04:05 PMDo any of you guys actually know each other?
Or is it just good natured interweb banter
I personally know a bunch of people here
Quote from: Newsdreams on January 12, 2025, 04:03:58 PMI personally know a bunch of people here
That's unfortunate 🤣
Quote from: Elonsmusk on January 12, 2025, 09:15:20 AMHopefully soon. Duane is one of Scoop's finest. Far more entertaining than Rico. His early contributions to Scoop that called out the folly of Wojo's ways were epic. His ability to troll the handful of Scoopers who think their lame sarcasm is funny, was spectacular and highly entertaining.
His stupidity wasn't trolling, it was genuine stupidity.
https://x.com/thehoopherald/status/1879528331353411787?s=46&t=rsb3AFkj2cleOcbjUjKMaQ
Shaka talks retention
Thanks for posting. Good stuff.
Quote from: tower912 on January 17, 2025, 02:42:47 PMhttps://x.com/thehoopherald/status/1879528331353411787?s=46&t=rsb3AFkj2cleOcbjUjKMaQ
Shaka talks retention
But has no Aircraft carrier
Quote from: Newsdreams on January 18, 2025, 09:02:28 AMBut has no Aircraft carrier
Herm is posting on Dodds board next years team will be bad and Virginia will land Shaka because of this.
Never felt more confident next years team will be good under Shaka
Shaka's gotta go for a field goal when the team desperately needs a touchdown.
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Shaka's gotta go for a field goal when the team desperately needs a touchdown.
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;D ;D ;D
Freeman didn't get it done
Quote from: Newsdreams on January 20, 2025, 10:26:02 PMFreeman didn't get it done
He's going to be Virginia's coach next season.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on January 20, 2025, 10:27:01 PMHe's going to be Virginia's coach next season.
His dream job