... to not call blatant fouls today?
Creighton:
https://x.com/ryancassidycbb/status/1756379342236533146?s=46&t=jxqs74xjrj0YOEifH9UtCw
Providence:
https://x.com/ryancassidycbb/status/1756426384853881271?s=46&t=jxqs74xjrj0YOEifH9UtCw
Lettin' 'em play!
While I do appreciate watching a better flow of the game with fewer whistles, those linked examples were pretty blatant and must be called.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on February 10, 2024, 08:59:53 PM
... to not call blatant fouls today?
Creighton:
https://x.com/ryancassidycbb/status/1756379342236533146?s=46&t=jxqs74xjrj0YOEifH9UtCw
Providence:
https://x.com/ryancassidycbb/status/1756426384853881271?s=46&t=jxqs74xjrj0YOEifH9UtCw
F1 on the first, and a clear foul on the second.
Quote from: BrewCity83 on February 12, 2024, 10:12:01 AM
Lettin' 'em play!
While I do appreciate watching a better flow of the game with fewer whistles, those linked examples were pretty blatant and must be called.
I agree about the flow, but the shocking thing to me all year has been the amount of times there has been heavy contact on drives that goes uncalled. Happens to Tyler all the time, but it has been pretty much across the board both ways. I have no problem with not calling the touch fouls 30 feet out like they used to all the time a few years ago, but heavy contact on drives should be called. At this point you are doing yourself a disservice not hitting guys on drives until they show they are going to call it.
Back to the Kolek point, there have been several times where I think he just goes in hard knowing he is going to draw uncalled contact so he has gone in with the intention to attract the attention (and contact) and dish it off. The great pass to Chase/Stevie the other day and the Seton Hall game in general were examples of that. He got rocked on the pass to Stevie.
I chuckle after most Big East games MU will dominate the other team in paint points yet consistently (esp on the road) have more fouls called.
Seems like they will call a touch foul 25 feet from basket but allow a clobberring on a drive to the hoop.
Quote from: MarquetteDano on February 13, 2024, 10:10:16 PM
I chuckle after most Big East games MU will dominate the other team in paint points yet consistently (esp on the road) have more fouls called.
Seems like they will call a touch foul 25 feet from basket but allow a clobberring on a drive to the hoop.
Certainly was the case tonight.
Matt Potter sucks.
Thankfully we havent see Mr High Knees Ref in a long time . Seems like he is not doing Big East games
I know Coach Hurley was not w big fan of his
Quote from: Herman Cain on February 13, 2024, 10:51:35 PM
Thankfully we havent see Mr High Knees Ref in a long time . Seems like he is not doing Big East games
I know Coach Hurley was not w big fan of his
He did our DePaul game. But he's a whore and will ref whoever will have him. Night after DePaul (which was an 8:00 tip) he was reffing in Berkeley.
Quote from: Herman Cain on February 13, 2024, 10:51:35 PM
Thankfully we havent see Mr High Knees Ref in a long time . Seems like he is not doing Big East games
I know Coach Hurley was not w big fan of his
It seems he's doing mostly little 10 games this year.
Even Thad Matta was telling his players in the huddle, "They're not calling any fouls tonight!" That was when the foul discrepancy was 6 for MU and 2 for Butler.
The motion offense finesse teams have the lowest offensive FTRs in conference play (Creighton, MU, Nova) while the Bully Ball offensive teams have the highest (as measured by FTR). MU's offense has one of the lowest FTR in the country at #343.
UConn has one of the highest (2nd offensive Ftr in conference behind Providence) but they also have one of the highest defensive FTR.
Expect a foul fest Saturday. MU will need its bench.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on February 14, 2024, 05:21:19 AM
The motion offense finesse teams have the lowest offensive FTRs in conference play (Creighton, MU, Nova) while the Bully Ball offensive teams have the highest (as measured by FTR). MU's offense has one of the lowest FTR in the country at #343.
UConn has one of the highest (2nd offensive Ftr in conference behind Providence) but the also have one of the highest defensive FTR.
Expect a foul fest Saturday. MU will need its bench.
I love it when we play 5 against 8.
Let's face it, the Big East has adopted the Big 10 officiating philosophy: "No Blood, No Foul!"
It's that simple.
Quote from: MarquetteDano on February 13, 2024, 10:10:16 PM
I chuckle after most Big East games MU will dominate the other team in paint points yet consistently (esp on the road) have more fouls called.
Seems like they will call a touch foul 25 feet from basket but allow a clobberring on a drive to the hoop.
See this is what drives me nuts about the "blame the refs" narrative here on Scoop.
These are two different types fouls. Marquette got called for a lot of reaches. Those are called all over the court in every level of basketball. They are also the most preventable by a long shot, which is why so many coaches just preach to never reach.
OTOH, body fouls are called differently from game to game at all levels. Youth, high school, college and NBA. And that's because its exceedingly difficult to determine who got to what space first. So as long as they are calling the bumping fouls equally, it's not a problem.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on February 14, 2024, 05:21:19 AM
The motion offense finesse teams have the lowest offensive FTRs in conference play (Creighton, MU, Nova) while the Bully Ball offensive teams have the highest (as measured by FTR). MU's offense has one of the lowest FTR in the country at #343.
Yep. This is the Big East. It has always been this way.
Quote from: dgies9156 on February 14, 2024, 07:18:18 AM
Let's face it, the Big East has adopted the Big 10 officiating philosophy: "No Blood, No Foul!"
Did you never watch BE basketball in the 1980s?
Quote from: dgies9156 on February 14, 2024, 07:18:18 AM
Let's face it, the Big East has adopted the Big 10 officiating philosophy: "No Blood, No Foul!"
It's that simple.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on February 14, 2024, 07:58:18 AM
Did you never watch BE basketball in the 1980s?
And to think, for a brief time the Big East allowed six fouls.
I've always felt that Big East Basketball (TM) had the reputation for the loosest officiating.
How is the 1980's Big East officiating at all relevant in the year of our Lord 2024?
Quote from: MUfan12 on February 14, 2024, 08:40:27 AM
How is the 1980's Big East officiating at all relevant in the year of our Lord 2024?
It isn't. But dgies said they "adopted Big Ten officiating." They didn't. The BE has pretty much always been this way.
Quote from: MUfan12 on February 14, 2024, 08:40:27 AM
How is the 1980's Big East officiating at all relevant in the year of our Lord 2024?
Other than introducing the three point shot, the shot clock, widening the lane, eliminating the five second hash mark rule, allowing just two officials per game, and dunking was still a new thing, it is the same game.
Anyone want to guess what ref ejected him?
https://x.com/cbbonfox/status/1758280316081598622?s=46&t=jxqs74xjrj0YOEifH9UtCw
Quote from: TallTitan34 on February 15, 2024, 06:33:23 PM
Anyone want to guess what ref ejected him?
https://x.com/cbbonfox/status/1758280316081598622?s=46&t=jxqs74xjrj0YOEifH9UtCw
Breeding. To be fair (as he ejected Jop in South Bend), the rule states any nutter check is an ejection.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on February 14, 2024, 07:58:18 AM
See this is what drives me nuts about the "blame the refs" narrative here on Scoop.
These are two different types fouls. Marquette got called for a lot of reaches. Those are called all over the court in every level of basketball. They are also the most preventable by a long shot, which is why so many coaches just preach to never reach.
OTOH, body fouls are called differently from game to game at all levels. Youth, high school, college and NBA. And that's because its exceedingly difficult to determine who got to what space first. So as long as they are calling the bumping fouls equally, it's not a problem.
I would buy this if it was body fouls. But we have seen arm and head shots near the basket not get called either.
https://x.com/painttouches/status/1763217087168749654?s=46&t=jxqs74xjrj0YOEifH9UtCw
I missed that one. It was pretty bad. Thanks for posting.
That was one of 5 or 6 tackles by Ticket. He had a push on Jop during a rebound that was equal or greater to that.
Who's silverwarrior on the 247 boards? Dude's going over to Providence's forum and starting a thread on this, claiming to come in peace and then telling Providence fans their team is dirty lol.
Silver is a guy who has been on that board from the beginning and has been a MU fan since the 60's. May even have childhood memories of the 50's.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on February 29, 2024, 09:08:57 AM
https://x.com/painttouches/status/1763217087168749654?s=46&t=jxqs74xjrj0YOEifH9UtCw
I noticed that during the game but damn, there is no excuse for that being a no-call. Ref is again standing with a good view and nothing. Hard to believe.
I love being a Marquette fan, but this fanbase is just full of whiners about the referees.
College refs suck. They are inconsistent and let A LOT go. Until structural changes are made regarding how college refs are employed, NONE of this is going to change.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on February 29, 2024, 11:00:43 AM
College refs suck. They are inconsistent and let A LOT go. Until structural changes are made regarding how college refs are employed, NONE of this is going to change.
This sounds like whining.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on February 29, 2024, 11:04:22 AM
This sounds like whining.
It's not about the refs. They are what they are.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on February 29, 2024, 11:11:57 AM
Got it.
I'm not whining about it. It is what it is.
Is Tyler teaching your reading comprehension class or something?
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on February 29, 2024, 10:58:06 AM
I noticed that during the game but damn, there is no excuse for that being a no-call. Ref is again standing with a good view and nothing. Hard to believe.
Looked as bad as the Flagrant 2 in the Texas game the other night. Chase also took an offensive foul where there was contact to the face that should have been reviewed.
Think the solution is for the player to just lay on the floor for any non basketball play or contact to the head until the officials go to the monitor and review it. Though, on the other hand, I'm glad we don't have that type of culture as the guys have more of a next play mentality.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on February 29, 2024, 11:16:14 AM
I'm not whining about it. It is what it is.
So when we say the refs suck it's whining.
When you say the refs suck it's not whining.
The refs are bad. We should expect better and they need to fix it.
But we can't control it and it's obvious they suck, so no real reason to dwell on it. Just something we have to live with for the foreseeable future.
I don't think it's whining to point out an obvious deficiency. Last night they sucked to the point that someone could have got hurt. That's a problem. Sometimes they suck less.
Quote from: BM1090 on February 29, 2024, 11:28:32 AM
Last night they sucked to the point that someone could have got hurt. That's a problem.
This.
If they do or don't call nickle and dimers whatever. But when you are allowing plays that are going to get someone hurt, that's a problem.
My first post in the thread Scheierman gets his face raked and head pulled with not even a common foul called. Zero intent to go for the ball. Unsurprisingly, the officials eventually lost control in that game as well.
Jop got two hand shoved out of bounds during a rebound, rather far from the hoop. Announcers even commented on it
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on February 29, 2024, 10:58:06 AM
I noticed that during the game but damn, there is no excuse for that being a no-call. Ref is again standing with a good view and nothing. Hard to believe.
I'm just glad they didn't call Stevie for tripping Oduro.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on February 29, 2024, 11:00:43 AM
I love being a Marquette fan, but this fanbase is just full of whiners about the referees.
College refs suck. They are inconsistent and let A LOT go. Until structural changes are made regarding how college refs are employed, NONE of this is going to change.
Hello, welcome to every fan base of every sport. Get used to it.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on February 29, 2024, 11:00:43 AM
I love being a Marquette fan, but this fanbase is just full of whiners about the referees.
College refs suck. They are inconsistent and let A LOT go. Until structural changes are made regarding how college refs are employed, NONE of this is going to change.
Yeah man, this is unique to the marquette basketball fanbase. No other fan of any other team has ever whined about refereeing.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on February 29, 2024, 11:25:03 AM
So when we say the refs suck it's whining.
When you say the refs suck it's not whining.
Yes.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on February 29, 2024, 11:48:25 AM
Hello, welcome to every fan base of every sport. Get used to it.
I guess.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on February 29, 2024, 11:34:01 AM
If they do or don't call nickle and dimers whatever. But when you are allowing plays that are going to get someone hurt, that's a problem.
I actually thought the exact same last night. I've gotten used to Kolek not getting the calls when he's clearly fouled almost every time he takes it to the hoop, and other similar stuff. But Providence was playing a dangerous game last night. I'd be saying the same if our guys were playing that way.
Quote from: MU82 on February 29, 2024, 01:23:18 PM
I actually thought the exact same last night. I've gotten used to Kolek not getting the calls when he's clearly fouled almost every time he takes it to the hoop, and other similar stuff. But Providence was playing a dangerous game last night. I'd be saying the same if our guys were playing that way.
You sound like you're silverwarrior on the 247 boards
Quote from: Spotcheck Billy on February 29, 2024, 01:42:25 PM
You sound like you're silverwarrior on the 247 boards
I can assure you that I am not.
This is my only sports board. And I've only been MU82 since I first signed on. I promise.
Quote from: MU82 on February 29, 2024, 01:52:09 PM
I can assure you that I am not.
This is my only sports board. And I've only been MU82 since I first signed on. I promise.
What's a silverwarrior?
No silverwarrior proposes how Marquette can lose each game they play... shocked they have won so many the past 2 years based on his analysis..
Quote from: Spotcheck Billy on February 29, 2024, 01:42:25 PM
You sound like you're silverwarrior on the 247 boards
It is comical. Also was adamant that Sean should be handed the keys on day 1 as a freshman with TKo moved off the ball or to the bench.
It was brutally physical.
Glad no one was hurt other than TKO cut on the face. And glad that was no worse.
If you don't play as physical back, the other team will just beat you up.
Don't like it as I think it moves the game a notch closer to a fight or team brawl.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on February 29, 2024, 12:46:59 PM
Yes.
Titan, didn't you learn your lesson last year that no else can have a legitimate perspective on the refs other than Sultan. He's insufferable on this topic as only he knows anything according to him and EVERYONE else is a whiner. You were just pointing out clear cases where not even a common foul was called. It's actually fun to troll him on this topic as he can't help but tell you how wrong you are and gets way too invested in it. Name one fan base that doesn't complain about the refs. I have to live with my in-law Badgers and they make us look mild in comparison.
Go f*ck yourself O'Connell.
https://x.com/painttouches/status/1768477306543100031?s=46&t=jxqs74xjrj0YOEifH9UtCw
Quote from: TallTitan34 on March 14, 2024, 10:22:38 PM
Go f*ck yourself O'Connell.
https://x.com/painttouches/status/1768477306543100031?s=46&t=jxqs74xjrj0YOEifH9UtCw
Wow.
This ref crew should be done for the year. I don't mind letting them play, but Stevie got clocked as the ref watched. Unacceptable
Quote from: 21Jumpstreet on March 14, 2024, 11:22:35 PM
This ref crew should be done for the year. I don't mind letting them play, but Stevie got clocked as the ref watched. Unacceptable
Then in overtime suddenly everything is a foul. I think there weren't unfair to Marquette but in OT they changed the how they called things. Was wondering if Shaka was going to go zone because of it.
Quote from: MarquetteDano on March 14, 2024, 11:27:14 PM
Then in overtime suddenly everything is a foul. I think there weren't unfair to Marquette but in OT they changed the how they called things. Was wondering if Shaka was going to go zone because of it.
Agreed
Quote from: MarquetteDano on March 14, 2024, 11:27:14 PM
Then in overtime suddenly everything is a foul. I think there weren't unfair to Marquette but in OT they changed the how they called things. Was wondering if Shaka was going to go zone because of it.
They were calling reaches all game. And those were reaches. What they weren't calling were body fouls.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on March 14, 2024, 11:30:12 PM
They were calling reaches all game. And those were reaches. What they weren't calling were body fouls.
Agreed
Quote from: MarquetteDano on March 14, 2024, 11:27:14 PM
Then in overtime suddenly everything is a foul on Marquette. I think there weren't unfair to Marquette but in OT they changed the how they called things. Was wondering if Shaka was going to go zone because of it.
FIFY
Quote from: 21Jumpstreet on March 14, 2024, 11:22:35 PM
This ref crew should be done for the year. I don't mind letting them play, but Stevie got clocked as the ref watched. Unacceptable
This. That's one of the most obvious F2s I've ever seen. Not a basketball play. Shot to the head. Ref saw it right in front of him and didn't care. If that crew isn't interested in doing their jobs, then let them stay at home.
At this point, I would prefer more punishment be given out to O'Connell for watching it and doing nothing than to Bamba for committing the act
Quote from: TallTitan34 on March 14, 2024, 10:22:38 PM
Go f*ck yourself O'Connell.
https://x.com/painttouches/status/1768477306543100031?s=46&t=jxqs74xjrj0YOEifH9UtCw
Does anyone know if there is a league review process where someone will ask that ref to explain that? It's really hard to believe.
While I haven't worked with Silver Warrior, nor is he my friend, I have met Silver Warrior. Nads is no Silver Warrior, hey?
unchecked bad behavior leads to more bad behavior-
this includes both the players and the refs
shouldn't that assault on stevie been reviewed??
if Stevie wasn't such a tough mofo... he should have stayed down and played like soccer injury
Quote from: StillAWarrior on March 14, 2024, 11:45:21 PM
Does anyone know if there is a league review process where someone will ask that ref to explain that? It's really hard to believe.
Email him
https://www.bigeast.com/staff.aspx?staff=1046
They need to call the game consistently. If they ignore a guy getting clobbered while driving the lane, they shouldn't call ticky tack stuff either. They also need to give a guy his vertical space. Gold got called for a foul against X where he went straight up to defend a drive. He didn't initiate the contact and that shouldn't be a blocking foul.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on March 15, 2024, 06:28:03 AM
unchecked bad behavior leads to more bad behavior-
this includes both the players and the refs
shouldn't that assault on stevie been reviewed??
if Stevie wasn't such a tough mofo... he should have stayed down and played like soccer injury
I agree, but Stevie is built differently.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 15, 2024, 07:45:31 AM
I agree, but Stevie is built differently.
Amen. There's a video floating around from the locker room after the game where Shaka is complimenting Stevie and his response is, "I can do better." Can't wait to see it.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 15, 2024, 04:27:31 AM
While I haven't worked with Silver Warrior, nor is he my friend, I have met Silver Warrior. Nads is no Silver Warrior, hey?
wtf?
Quote from: Spotcheck Billy on March 15, 2024, 08:11:52 AM
wtf?
Someone asked me on Feb. 29 if I was the same person who went by the handle silverwarrior on the 247 site. I said nope, never even heard of him.
So this was just our alert dentist chiming in merely two weeks later in the middle of a discussion about officiating in last night's game. Par for the course.
Anyway ... how that ref missed that attack on Stevie is alarming. I hope Marquette calls it to the Big East's attention.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on March 15, 2024, 08:05:06 AM
Amen. There's a video floating around from the locker room after the game where Shaka is complimenting Stevie and his response is, "I can do better." Can't wait to see it.
Quoting myself because I was finally able to find the video (https://x.com/CBBonFOX/status/1768505390139162749?s=20) again. If I'm not mistaken, Stevie's full quote is: "I can do better. I get a chance to do it tomorrow."
Love that kid. An all-time favorite.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 15, 2024, 04:27:31 AM
While I haven't worked with Silver Warrior, nor is he my friend, I have met Silver Warrior. Nads is no Silver Warrior, hey?
Going Quayle hunting today, Senator Bentsen?
Quote from: StillAWarrior on March 15, 2024, 08:27:18 AM
Quoting myself because I was finally able to find the video (https://x.com/CBBonFOX/status/1768505390139162749?s=20) again. If I'm not mistaken, Stevie's full quote is: "I can do better. I get a chance to do it tomorrow."
Love that kid. An all-time favorite.
He was also yelling something along the lines of "Bring on Devin Carter" as he was leaving the court.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on March 14, 2024, 10:22:38 PM
Go f*ck yourself O'Connell.
https://x.com/painttouches/status/1768477306543100031?s=46&t=jxqs74xjrj0YOEifH9UtCw
Inexplicable. O'Connell is usually pretty decent at his job, but it's hard to believe that this happened right in front of him. Maybe it was the stress of having to work with Breeding.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on March 14, 2024, 11:30:12 PM
They were calling reaches all game. And those were reaches. What they weren't calling were body fouls.
This has been the state of play all year long in conference. Open season, just dont grab, slap, or get arm.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on March 14, 2024, 11:45:21 PM
Does anyone know if there is a league review process where someone will ask that ref to explain that? It's really hard to believe.
No chance. Referees are always protected.